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Offline luke95

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3285 on: April 21, 2024, 10:59:00 PM »
The disallowed 4th Coventry goal is open to far more debate.
Would VAR have been used in that game if both clubs were from the football league?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3286 on: April 21, 2024, 11:01:36 PM »
Yes. The VAR not being used is down to the ground not having the facilities for it. Prem clubs and Wembley does.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3287 on: April 21, 2024, 11:01:54 PM »
The disallowed 4th Coventry goal is open to far more debate.

Absolutely. There is no way the Forest player is clearly in an offside position such that it gives him a discernible advantage. When it is that tight common sense has to come into it.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3288 on: April 22, 2024, 12:06:19 AM »
No, offside is offside, you don’t disapply it if it’s late in the match or close.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2024, 11:16:32 AM by lovejoy »

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3289 on: April 22, 2024, 11:12:14 AM »
The analysis on MOTD2 was good on this. The handball and kick to the heal, like has been said, are 50/50. There's been instances like those given but also not given.

The third one was a mess because the ref signals that the defender played the ball when the replay showed that he didn't. The VAR should have seen this in the replay and called the ref over to the screen. He didn't, but that's not corruption, it's poor officiating.

Offline lovejoy

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3290 on: April 22, 2024, 11:17:58 AM »
I think allegations of corruption are in need of evidence and without it Forest should be punished, you can't be bandying around such unsubstantiated allegations.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3291 on: April 22, 2024, 11:33:34 AM »
VAR has sucked the life out of football. It should be scrapped simply on the decisions of the games at the weekend. Shambolic, corrupt and fucking useless.

Offline WassallVillain

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3292 on: April 22, 2024, 11:43:57 AM »
It was just crap officiating on the pitch.   But for the conspiracy theorists it is the perfect match with a great sub plot re the Luton fan in the VAR room.  Everton have the points to overcome their deductions thereby justifiably surviving and Forest lose points so they fall enough points behind where their deduction made no difference to their finishing position.   We all think it from time to time. Should the worst happen and Spurs pip us for 4th place with some controversial decisions some fans will be thinking it was a conspiracy. #bemoreemery

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3293 on: April 22, 2024, 11:48:11 AM »
I’m not even sure Attwell is a Luton supporter. His family is well known in Nuneaton and he was believed to be a season ticket holder at Highfield Road. Thats why I’m always worried when he officiates the Villa.

I think the Luton thing may be a joke because he gave that phantom goal against Watford,

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3294 on: April 22, 2024, 11:49:49 AM »
The analysis on MOTD2 was good on this. The handball and kick to the heal, like has been said, are 50/50. There's been instances like those given but also not given.

The third one was a mess because the ref signals that the defender played the ball when the replay showed that he didn't. The VAR should have seen this in the replay and called the ref over to the screen. He didn't, but that's not corruption, it's poor officiating.

Great debate, I actually thought the kick to the heel was the most obvious of the three.  Shows how things are down to opinion.  I would expect VAR to call the Referee across the monitor given his on field gesticulation that the defender played the ball.  We've seen some shit officiating this season.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3295 on: April 22, 2024, 11:53:23 AM »
I don't think there's any conspiracy involved but there are definitely unconcious biases that play into some decisions. Emi getting booked for time wasting on Thursday being a perfect, and extreme, example. I don't think that was the case for Forest yesterday, they were just on the wrong side of a few 50/50 calls that VAR would've gone with the ref whichever way he went.

From a purely Villa perspective I think there's a belief within PGMOL that we can become a little overly aggressive if we think teams are being too physical and it's led to quite a few soft bookings this season as refs try to 'lay down the law' with us. I think Kamara and Emi both sufferd from it agianst Brentford, for example and Doug and SJM have been a bit unlucky a few times as well.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3296 on: April 22, 2024, 12:03:20 PM »
The penalty for handball that Chelsea should've had and the goal for Coventry was disallowed. In both cases human interpretation has screwed up. It was a clear and obvious handball by Grealish that didn't even get a corner. The Coventry goal also debatable - ok so the players toe is a millimetre or two offside on the photos but was that the point the ball left O Hare's boot? I don't think so. All this technology and yet we're still getting wrong decisions week in, week out. Is it conspiracy? I doubt it. Human fallacy? Yes, yes, yes. There's no point implementing technology if it still needs humans to analyse it. Either bring in the robots or fuck it off to the bin.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3297 on: April 22, 2024, 12:04:32 PM »
Clattenberg has admitted he gave a penalty to "even up decisions" as well other incompetence's in his life. So yes, he should be great at knowing what is incompetence and what is corruption. I suspect he is pissed off he was overlooked as PGMOL boss.

As for Attwell being a Luton fan? I'm not sure why he would be one as he was mostly brought up in the Midlands and at no point would Luton have been needed, apart from maybe at the time he "registered" who he was a fan of, it was when Luton were plummeting out of the league so he chose them instead of Coventry or who he did support at the time. But even if he was, wouldn't a draw be a better result for them?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3298 on: April 22, 2024, 12:43:23 PM »
Reason #4773 why everyone fucking hates Man U.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3299 on: April 22, 2024, 01:33:52 PM »
I was a Sunday League ref back in the early 90s and one game was getting so grim I finished five minutes early when one team slotted in an equaliser. It was hideous and something I recommend only to the fuckers who claim to know so much about the game.

 


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