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Offline frankmosswasmyuncle

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1875 on: January 21, 2021, 12:15:10 PM »
Match of the Day last night supporting the goal, but admitting the law needs changing - but I still feel it was misinterpreted due to the 'receives' definition.

if they DON'T make a change, or clarify this, then I don't see how it won't lead to change in the way some forwards play the line.  Imagine making a run in behind, but knowing you're offside, so you stop running, the flag stays down, the defender goes to get it, the second he touches it, you can tackle him - perhaps 30 or 40 years further upfield.  There will be no penalty for making fake offside runs that force defenders into retreating to get the ball.  I can see there being a bit of carnage for a few weeks as wiley forward try to benefit fro this.
Spot on!
Exactly why they were saying on MOTD last night that it was "a rubbish law"!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1876 on: January 21, 2021, 12:24:46 PM »
On any set piece we should put a player close to the goal. The taker should shoot, a defender will try to block it, thus deliberately playing the ball and any ricochet or deflection can be seized upon.

It's bollocks and they know it. Wankers.

The law they used excludes a "save", so I would imagine that won't be allowed.  I think it's more likely it'll be used by the long ball merchants to gain yards up the pitch.  Make run you know is offside, stop - let the defender go and get it and press from the second he touches it.  It's a free way to buy yourself 40 yards.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1877 on: January 21, 2021, 12:46:42 PM »
The worst thing with us getting fucked over by VAR is the bellends on social media that cant form an opinion of their own claiming its justice for the Sheff Utd goal line technology mistake.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1878 on: January 21, 2021, 01:21:27 PM »
Can anybody tell me how these two statements from the official FA offside rules aren't completely contradictory?

A player IS offside, if:

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball


A player is not offside if

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

The latter bit, is what the Premier League are saying is the rule that means it was a valid goal.

However, what this means is that in last night's situation, Rodri is an offside position when the ball is played. However, if he stays where he is, and in a made up scenario Mings controls the ball, then attempts to play the ball back to the keeper, ie pass it, if Rodri intercepts it then and scores, fair enough it's a valid goal.  The first bit I've copied however, says that if a player challenges the defender for the ball, then he IS offside. 'Deliberately plays the ball' from the "not offside" bit, can't then surely mean just controlling the ball like Mings did, because if it did, then the first bit becomes nonsensical as how can the attacker attempt to tackle a player who hasn't got the ball?

Utter, utter bollocks.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1879 on: January 21, 2021, 01:59:35 PM »
The worst thing with us getting fucked over by VAR is the bellends on social media that cant form an opinion of their own claiming its justice for the Sheff Utd goal line technology mistake.

This is really winding me up too.  It's as if Man City's goal is allowable because of what happened with a failure in technology last season. 

No mention that we admitted we got away with one then.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1880 on: January 21, 2021, 02:02:54 PM »
The worst thing with us getting fucked over by VAR is the bellends on social media that cant form an opinion of their own claiming its justice for the Sheff Utd goal line technology mistake.

This is really winding me up too.  It's as if Man City's goal is allowable because of what happened with a failure in technology last season. 

No mention that we admitted we got away with one then.

Pisses me off too.  We got away with one, but it was a failure of technology, and nothing else. And no point after did we try to argue about how some bizarre interpretation of a rule meant that it genuinely wasn't a goal.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1881 on: January 21, 2021, 02:10:49 PM »
It comes down to this to me.

Look at the goals we had chalked off for offside v West Brom, Arsenal and West Ham. Probably another this season I've forgotten about.

No neutral can say the current offside ruling is perfect for the game when we get those three ruled out for fractions of bodies offside (or Barkley by the keeper when he wasn't saving it anyway) and yet you can get a guy coming back from 10 yards offside to take the ball off a CB.

It's wrong for what we want the game to be and a scandal that VAR is making things worse by a second eye reviewing things and yet allowing these decisions.

I really was naive in thinking VAR would sort many of these bad calls but the opposite has happened.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1882 on: January 21, 2021, 02:22:45 PM »
Can anybody tell me how these two statements from the official FA offside rules aren't completely contradictory?

A player IS offside, if:

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball


A player is not offside if

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

The latter bit, is what the Premier League are saying is the rule that means it was a valid goal.

However, what this means is that in last night's situation, Rodri is an offside position when the ball is played. However, if he stays where he is, and in a made up scenario Mings controls the ball, then attempts to play the ball back to the keeper, ie pass it, if Rodri intercepts it then and scores, fair enough it's a valid goal.  The first bit I've copied however, says that if a player challenges the defender for the ball, then he IS offside. 'Deliberately plays the ball' from the "not offside" bit, can't then surely mean just controlling the ball like Mings did, because if it did, then the first bit becomes nonsensical as how can the attacker attempt to tackle a player who hasn't got the ball?

Utter, utter bollocks.

Superb, Risso. All of this talk about just implementing the rules, when most of the people saying it probably haven't looked at the rules in the first place.

It's even more annoying the goal stood, reading that.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1883 on: January 21, 2021, 03:04:50 PM »
On any set piece we should put a player close to the goal. The taker should shoot, a defender will try to block it, thus deliberately playing the ball and any ricochet or deflection can be seized upon.

It's bollocks and they know it. Wankers.

The law they used excludes a "save", so I would imagine that won't be allowed.  I think it's more likely it'll be used by the long ball merchants to gain yards up the pitch.  Make run you know is offside, stop - let the defender go and get it and press from the second he touches it.  It's a free way to buy yourself 40 yards.

If anyone is going to try and exploit it as you describe it's got to be Burnley and Dyche tonight. Be interesting to see how the next few games pan out after this farce.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1884 on: January 21, 2021, 04:26:54 PM »
Wasn't there some sort of change to the offside law when Allardyce was in charge at Bolton, that he tried to exploit. I seem to remember him leaving acouple of his players lurking around the penalty area for a while.


edit: to answer my own question, yes.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/3479755.stm
« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 04:28:49 PM by Risso »

Offline Clive W

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1885 on: January 21, 2021, 04:41:35 PM »
I posted on another thread a link to the 1925 FA meeting that approved the “new” offside law that stood the test of time until 1990

Have a look at Law 6

Clear, concise and unambiguous and then compare it to the dog’s breakfast we now have

https://ssbra.org/ifab/assets/pdf/1925min.pdf




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Re: VAR
« Reply #1886 on: January 21, 2021, 07:13:31 PM »
https://vimeo.com/191798927

https://youtu.be/e_eEQrgkOmw

2 more examples as to why it's not a goal

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1887 on: January 21, 2021, 07:33:02 PM »
Still fuming

Offline TopDeck113

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1888 on: January 21, 2021, 07:42:05 PM »
The worst thing with us getting fucked over by VAR is the bellends on social media that cant form an opinion of their own claiming its justice for the Sheff Utd goal line technology mistake.
It's noticeable that those bell-ends are more often than not Leeds fans.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1889 on: January 21, 2021, 07:51:25 PM »
What annoys me is that I'm guessing and I cant confirm this but because its caused so much controversy this sort of decision hasn't happened before, at least I cant remember it.

Because usually the minute an offside player goes towards the ball or a player with the ball the flag goes up and its called offside.

So if the officials and all those stating by the letter of the law it was the right decision why haven't we seen it make the headlines before?

Of course perhaps all those times it didn't meant the outcome would mean a Manchester top wankathon.

 


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