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Offline Nunkin1965

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1650 on: November 30, 2020, 10:31:54 PM »
It is incredible that they didnít spot the foul on Watkins with all that tech available.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1651 on: November 30, 2020, 10:32:00 PM »
Var has ruined the game of football.
Football as a live spectacle has lost its way.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1652 on: November 30, 2020, 10:39:20 PM »
Fuck it.

Burn it with fucking fire, put the ashes in a safe and drop into the deepest trench in the Pacific. Fucking ****** of a system.

Imagine being in the ground tonight having travelled 200 miles, paid £30, gone barmy and been told no lads, stop enjoying football, some ****** with a fucking ipad in Hillingdon reckons your arm is offside and cannot spot a nailed on penalty.

FUCK VAR.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1653 on: November 30, 2020, 10:40:23 PM »
Fuck it.

Burn it with fucking fire, put the ashes in a safe and drop into the deepest trench in the Pacific. Fucking ****** of a system.

Imagine being in the ground tonight having travelled 200 miles, paid £30, gone barmy and been told no lads, stop enjoying football, some ****** with a fucking ipad in Hillingdon reckons your arm is offside and cannot spot a nailed on penalty.

FUCK VAR.

I agree with Ads.

Offline LukeJames

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1654 on: November 30, 2020, 10:41:25 PM »
Somebody on the post match thread said he was going crazy when we scored but his 10 year old sat there quietly in case VAR ruled it out. What a sad image.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1655 on: November 30, 2020, 10:48:50 PM »
Iíve stopped celebrating goals now.

I guess thatís what SKY and the PL wanted all along. A nice passive, sanitised crowd, no reactions, nothing spontaneous or exiting.

Just sit there, let them them do the fake crowd noise thing, and enjoy people playing with lines on a screen, disallowing goals for every ridiculous reason imaginable.

If it wasnít for the money, Iíd take the championship and the ability to celebrate goals in the old traditional way.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1656 on: November 30, 2020, 10:52:56 PM »
It is shit now.
Anyone scores and the first thing in your head is VAR check.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1657 on: November 30, 2020, 10:53:36 PM »
In the last decade or so, changes to the Laws, or at least how they are interpreted have made football a better spectacle as it has prevented the flair, edge-of-our-seats players from simply being kicked out of the game.  However, the whole point of the game is to put the ball in the net and when a system designed to present clear and obvious errors is in fact working on the presumption that there is a reason to disallow a goal, it is a massive retrograde step and is now destroying that spectacle.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1658 on: November 30, 2020, 11:03:48 PM »
They are applying a rule so literally that it is ruining the game. There is almost nothing about VAR that fans agree on that is a benefit for the game.
But they are not. If Ollie was offside he was also fouled. So ok disallow the goal but don't ignore the obvious foul that anyone with two eyes can see.

Your point is perfectly valid. Iím just saying the infraction was offside. That they missed the foul entirely is utter incompetence. Itís clearly a professional foul to stop him from getting the ball but I can only assume they decided the offside happened first deeming the foul a secondary issue. Itís fucking ludicrous however you look at it. Without VAR thatís a goal. Simple. And without VAR that could happen to us too. I have never heard a football fan complain when the margins were so tight it was impossible to see with the human eye.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1659 on: November 30, 2020, 11:10:23 PM »
In the last decade or so, changes to the Laws, or at least how they are interpreted have made football a better spectacle as it has prevented the flair, edge-of-our-seats players from simply being kicked out of the game.  However, the whole point of the game is to put the ball in the net and when a system designed to present clear and obvious errors is in fact working on the presumption that there is a reason to disallow a goal, it is a massive retrograde step and is now destroying that spectacle.

I said sort of the same in the post-match thread. In attempting to fix the problem of match officials making mistakes, they've made the situation far, far worse by making just as many mistakes, and taking all the spontaneity out of the game in taking ages to do so. 

If an offside decision requires drawing lines to 0.000001mm, then fuck it, just let it stand.  Even if it goes against us, I'd rather concede the goal.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1660 on: November 30, 2020, 11:17:54 PM »
They are applying a rule so literally that it is ruining the game. There is almost nothing about VAR that fans agree on that is a benefit for the game.
But they are not. If Ollie was offside he was also fouled. So ok disallow the goal but don't ignore the obvious foul that anyone with two eyes can see.

Your point is perfectly valid. Iím just saying the infraction was offside. That they missed the foul entirely is utter incompetence. Itís clearly a professional foul to stop him from getting the ball but I can only assume they decided the offside happened first deeming the foul a secondary issue. Itís fucking ludicrous however you look at it. Without VAR thatís a goal. Simple. And without VAR that could happen to us too. I have never heard a football fan complain when the margins were so tight it was impossible to see with the human eye.
Never intended to disagree with you it is inconsistency in application that they can check offside in minute detail but ignore an obvious foul.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1661 on: November 30, 2020, 11:23:05 PM »
In the last decade or so, changes to the Laws, or at least how they are interpreted have made football a better spectacle as it has prevented the flair, edge-of-our-seats players from simply being kicked out of the game.  However, the whole point of the game is to put the ball in the net and when a system designed to present clear and obvious errors is in fact working on the presumption that there is a reason to disallow a goal, it is a massive retrograde step and is now destroying that spectacle.

I said sort of the same in the post-match thread. In attempting to fix the problem of match officials making mistakes, they've made the situation far, far worse by making just as many mistakes, and taking all the spontaneity out of the game in taking ages to do so. 

If an offside decision requires drawing lines to 0.000001mm, then fuck it, just let it stand.  Even if it goes against us, I'd rather concede the goal.

Me too, itís just bollocks. Technology should only be applied where it improves the game. How the fuck can anyone honestly argue that this in anyway enhances it?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1662 on: November 30, 2020, 11:28:15 PM »
You cannot possibly tell when the ball is kicked, because the ball changes shape when you kick it.  But they reckon they can minutely check with a set square and protractor where their arms and legs are when it comes to offside.  It's all bollocks. No-one bothers with the pass of the ball, they only really check the arms and legs.  Unless it's absolutely obvious, play on. 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1663 on: November 30, 2020, 11:34:24 PM »
It would be fairer if VAR just used the part of the body that was used to score. That way, measuring the position of an arm or the head would become redundant if a player scores with his foot and the foot is onside.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1664 on: November 30, 2020, 11:35:51 PM »
I have never been in favour of VAR and I never will be.  I said to The Malandro earlier in the day that the problem lies with officials of one sort or another grafting themselves onto the body of the game.  They are parasites.  For decades the game has grown and prospered with just the players, the referee and the linesmen out on the field of play participating in the game.  Along comes a clever, very expensive piece of equipment called VAR and suddenly the important people are the people with the equipment and they fucking love it.  Referees and linesmen no longer regard the game as their first and only priority, they buy into VAR because they can bask in the extra attention it creates for them.  Football became the Beautiful Game when nobody knew the referee or the linesmens' names.  They were men in black who ran the game.  What is that song about paving paradise and putting up a parking lot.  You don't know what you've got til it's gone.

 


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