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Online ChicagoLion

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1215 on: February 17, 2020, 12:26:10 PM »
I thought what would happen is the ref would controll the use of VAR and refer if he decided.
The argument is then, why did he not refer but it works pretty well in Rugby Union
I also have No problem with VAR saying to the ref I saw this happened, knowing the ref did not see it.
Like yesterday when a Grealish was fouled and the ref did give the free kick, Again  clear and obvious error.

Offline itmustbe_it is!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1216 on: February 17, 2020, 01:14:08 PM »
I've just seen the goal Wolves had disallowed last night by VAR.

Aside of the utter idiocy of another goal being called offside by a fraction on a player moving away from goal, I don't think I even understand the offside rule anymore.  From the corner, three of the four passes are backwards - I thought you could only be offside from a forward pass?  But the only forward pass involved in the goal wasn't the reason it was disallowed.

Any ideas?

Nope, everyone assumes it is forward passes only because there is very little times that a backwards one will be offside.I might be wrong but the attacking receiving player needs to be level or behind the attacking passer still at point of pass otherwise some of these two on ones would be called back.

I've said before, I don't mind the offsides called by VAR as that is now one of the absolutes in the game rules as is. There are still too many others which is interpretation of the viewer. Blame the rules for stating offside is now decided by mm and not the technology though. However, my issue is how far back are they taking these. There has been some goals allowed as fouls in the buildup have been ignored as too soon before the play. However our one a few weeks ago, and Wolves last night was several passes before the goal, and the decision against Shrewsbury in the FA cup replay was so long before the attack scored that even the highlights team didn't go back far enough at the time.


From the FA website

"A player is in an offside position if:
any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponentsí half (excluding the halfway line) and
any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponentsí goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent"

It's pretty difficult too be nearer the goal line than the ball from a corner !

Edit - just reviewed the actual incident , I didnt get that it was the original corner taker that was given offside. Still a barmy decision though !
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 01:27:50 PM by itmustbe_it is! »

Offline Neil Hawkes

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1217 on: February 17, 2020, 02:40:07 PM »
Look back at the incident where Anwar got clouted after his header on the six-yard line, seconds before the defending is grabbing at his arm - is that not a penalty if we're going down the black/white route - or is it just something that got missed and we move on?  What about Engels getting punched in the face a couple of weeks ago?
I agree, if Engels foul was a penalty then both above incidents are also penalties.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1218 on: February 17, 2020, 03:23:23 PM »

Look back at the incident where Anwar got clouted after his header on the six-yard line, seconds before the defending is grabbing at his arm - is that not a penalty ...

What about Engels getting punched in the face a couple of weeks ago?
This is the point, isn't it? - once the VAR ref starts looking at some stuff he has to look at ALL of the stuff.
Whicih woiuld be impractical; the game would go on for 3 hours!

Offline baddowvillans

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1219 on: February 17, 2020, 04:26:24 PM »
Would have been interesting yesterday if Tottenham had scored from the corner that Spurs were awarded that should have been a goal kick.  Would VAR have looked at that or would that have been deemed a different phase of play - even though that phase of play and onerous decision directly provided the goal scoring opportunity. I think we all know what the answer would have been!

Offline Astonite

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1220 on: February 17, 2020, 05:35:24 PM »
The thing about VAR and off side for me is they measure the players position to the millimetre but give no indication or evidence as to when the ball is kicked. I don't even know how the calculate the micro second it is kicked. Is it when there is a visible gap between the foot or ball or when the ball is deformed in shape when touching the boot etc. Can they even see when it is kicked accurately enough to measure player movement as they are.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1221 on: February 17, 2020, 05:37:33 PM »
It really is a Pandoraís box. Once you start reviewing stuff it then becomes an arbitrary exercise in terms of what is and isnít reviewed and how far back do you go before you find an infringement.
The way it has been introduced is so fucking amateurish.
They have undermined their own rule of clear and obvious error, no one understand how hand ball is being applied and the offside decisions are a joke and the science is flawed.

Absolutely.  It's not the technology it's the dickhead way they use it. The "clear and obvious" mantra has been totally ignored and I'm not sure whether it even still applies, or is meant to.  They are micro-managing games to the extent where decisions that no-one on the pitch is challenging are being overturned.  My gripe with the penalty yesterday is not that it wasn't a penalty, because it was (It was obvious on seeing the replay for the first time and not sure why Moss took two or three minutes to decide).
 It's that when it wasn't given, no-one really challenged it or appealed, so it shouldn't have been considered a clear and obvious error, and it shouldn't have been reviewed.

They either make the referee sole arbiter again, so he decides when VAR is to be used and goes to the monitor, or else they allow each team 2 appeals, and that's it.  Checking every incident is fucking ludicrous, especially when they are still making mistakes and have no consistency in what they decide.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1222 on: February 17, 2020, 06:25:28 PM »
The thing about VAR and off side for me is they measure the players position to the millimetre but give no indication or evidence as to when the ball is kicked.

Been saying this from the start ..   

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1223 on: February 17, 2020, 06:28:14 PM »
The thing about VAR and off side for me is they measure the players position to the millimetre but give no indication or evidence as to when the ball is kicked.

Been saying this from the start ..

Yep, a very relevant point that seems to be ignored

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1224 on: February 17, 2020, 06:33:44 PM »
Why was our shout for handball not looked at when Spurs had two reviews in the space of minutes?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1225 on: February 17, 2020, 06:38:46 PM »
Yesterday that first VAR check for handball seemed to be about two minutes after the incident and play had carried on. What if players are booked or sent off in that 2 minutes then VAR decides itís a pen. Would cautions etc be cancelled? Iím confused.
The response from the Holte end to that first VAR was spot on, itís ruining football as it is currently being done.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1226 on: February 17, 2020, 06:39:23 PM »
@Nastylee; It probably was, and I'm guessing it was instantly dismissed without a need to inform the referee.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 06:41:20 PM by Lastfootstamper »

Offline BoVillan esq

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1227 on: February 17, 2020, 09:56:49 PM »
I voted 'For', it's inevitable, the game must learn and improve in terms of how we administer the technology, to many grey area's at the moment.   

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1228 on: February 17, 2020, 09:59:25 PM »
@Nastylee; It probably was, and I'm guessing it was instantly dismissed without a need to inform the referee.

I personally wouldn't have given it (it would've been given in Italy and other european leagues as they have much stricter rules on handball) but amazed it wasn't stopped and properly looked at. More of a handball than the Spurs one which was stopped and hit Engels chest.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1229 on: February 17, 2020, 10:19:50 PM »
That's my point. Nothing on the screen and just cast aside with no communication. Really teatimg my mettle as to whether it's worth investing in anymore. Pile of shit.