VAR

[The Edge]

Aston Villa been the biggest beneficiaries of mistakes from the technology - ESPN's report finds that three mistakes have gone in favour of Unai Emery's fourth-placed side.

The report has revealed that ‘of the 20 VAR errors this season, 17 have been for missed interventions, with two decisions changed incorrectly and one situation where the VAR wrongly rejected an overturn at the pitchside monitor’.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39476749/premier-league-too-many-var-checks-takes-too-long-chief

The accuracy of key match decisions has increased from 82% pre-VAR to 96% this season

Sorry but those figures are bollocks. Do they take into account the fact that the pinpoint accuracy for offsides that these plonkers try to apply is actually impossible? Who's to say a correct decision was reached when giving a nasal hair offside? They accepted that this leads to erroneous decisions when they introduced GPS trackers in players boots and the ball in the Qatar World Cup. The fact that the technology hasn't been introduced in the world's richest league remains a mystery. Why haven't they used it? They can shove their data up their harris until they do.

[Duncan Shaw]

Nice of them to put "unconcious" bias in the ref's mind then before we play the media darlings at the weekend!!

[The Edge]

I don’t see how the article can make any sense when it’s still judgements being applied by the same subjective decisions that interpret the rules differently from week to week.

We had a goal disallowed for a foul by Jacob Ramsay in a previous phase of play a few weeks ago, yet only this week we saw a goal allowed against us from a free kick that wasn’t a free kick. So they need to decide whether they are re-refereeing the game or not for a start.

The problem is a lack of consistency in how it’s applied and, whilst I can see that Wolves and Liverpool have had clear errors against them, I’d be interested to know how they’ve come up with all the others because I’d guess it’s with the same warped logic they used in the first place.

I posted my response before I read this. I absolutely agree. The data is absolute horseshit.

[LeeS]

Yes and yet another report suggests that Villa's points tally would be exactly the same with or without the VAR decisions (admittedly this was at xmas so might have changed).  If VAR had looked at the freekick that lead to Chelsea's 3rd we'd only have lost 2-1!

IS that how they come up with those theories? Just deduct the single goal and leave everything else about the match the same? That third goal set in chain series of events that couldn't have happened ever again in any circumstance. So the Villa goal would 100% not have happened and nor would any single touch of the ball, run from a player, cough, sneeze or burp of a fan that followed. It may have ended 2-1 or it may have ended 10-0 or 10-2 to Villa. Who knows? But the remainder of that game would have been wholly different. 

[Somniloquism]

Nice of them to put "unconcious" bias in the ref's mind then before we play the media darlings at the weekend!!

It is an internal report from PGMOL. I would be surprised if the refs were not already aware of it.

[Steve67]

Villa have been the biggest beneficiaries?  Does that not simply mean that they got more wrong against us and had to correct it?

[Mister E]

What a load of old bullshit!
Re the ref's decision to uphold his original judgement vs CP, he was lauded by many for listening to other views and then deciding his penalty-award was correct! Re vs SheffU at home, the ref made 2 clear areas, and VAR upheld them!
So, I'm not really sure how any of this works in practice!

[LeeB]

Any report from within PGMOL is basically going to consist of them sucking their own cocks, and they're all the kind of people that would have a rib removed to do so.

[Somniloquism]

It seems the ESPN breakdown is based off the interview from Skysports which others have reported as well (did they follow it up with press releases with the breakdown?)

However another report on the same thing reckons the three which wasn't VAR failure to intervene were:-

As far as the three remaining errors, one happened during a debacle involving Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur. Liverpool winger Luis Diaz incorrectly had a goal chalked off in the match due to miscommunication in the VAR room. The remaining two mishaps were described as “subjective errors” by officials. This involved wrongly disallowing a Burnley goal against Nottingham Forest and Arsenal not receiving a penalty kick against Manchester United in September.

However a full breakdown of the VAR decisions this season seems to show only one time where the ref rejected an overturn all season (which is wrong terminology anyway) and that was the CP penalty. So if that is the one, PGMOL decided after the match that barely brushing the ball, then fouling the player before then "clearing" the ball is now allowed in the rules of the game.

As for the other two, I can only think of potential Duran elbow as I'm not sure which goals allowed or disallowed we thought were lucky the decision was given.

[Nev]

VAR doesn't work and the analysis is biased.

Great stuff.

[Footy-Vill]

Decisions For:
Game: Crystal Palace (H; Sept. 16)
Incident: Overturn rejected. Referee rules Chris Richards did foul Ollie Watkins, 90+3 minutes

Game: Chelsea (A; Sept. 24)
Incident: Malo Gusto sent off for serious foul play against Lucas Digne, 56 minutes -

Game: Brentford (A; Dec. 17)
Incident: Ben Mee sent off for serious foul play against Leon Bailey, 71 minutes -

Game: Man United (A; Dec. 26)
Incident: Alejandro Garnacho goal disallowed for offside, 48 minutes

Game: Sheffield United (A; Feb. 3)
Incident: Vinicius Souza goal disallowed for offside in the buildup against Auston Trusty, 90+1 minutes

[Footy-Vill]

Decisions Against :
Game: Crystal Palace (H; Sept. 16)
Incident: Moussa Diaby goal disallowed for offside, 34 minutes

Game: Fulham (H; Nov. 11)
Incident: Penalty cancelled, no handball by Timothy Castagne, 7 minutes

Game: Tottenham (A; Nov. 26)
Incident: Ollie Watkins goal disallowed for offside, 24 minutes

Game: Bournemouth (A; Dec. 3)
Incident: Diego Carlos goal disallowed for offside against Lucas Digne, 22 minutes

Game: Sheffield United (H; Dec. 22)
Incident: Leon Bailey goal disallowed for a foul in the buildup by Jacob Ramsey on Wes Foderingham, 59 minutes

Game: Everton (A; Jan. 14)
Incident: Álex Moreno goal disallowed for offside against Leon Bailey, 18 minutes

[Paul.S]

Just get rid of it. I couldn’t care less if there’s a few incorrect calls from the officials but please just kick this s***e into touch.

[Footy-Vill]

If you see the for and against, well, all the for and against decisions were technically correct, weren't they?

[Somniloquism]

But the supposed errors your initial link cited were for ones that PGMOL feel VAR should have intervened in but didn't. So they wouldn't have been on those lists apart from the Crystal Palace one if the feel the one and only "Overturn Rejected" this season was wrong which they appear to believe.