VAR

[Rory]

Just out of interest - I'm away at the moment so only seen snippets on my phone but would Cam's goal have been awarded with Var ?

From the looks of it, probably not.

I don't see what VAR has brought to the game, though. I generally have a lot of respect for referees; they put up with a lot of shit, and I do believe that most of them just love the game and do their best. (There are exceptions, of course.)

VAR was intended to remove the subjectivity from decisions, but it's done the opposite. It has mainly drawn attention to the failures of linesmen, and highlighted the weird, arbitrary way that professional refs go about their jobs.

Mistakes happen, but I'd rather the money spent on VAR went into assessing refs for unconscious bias, teaching them about what constitutes handball, and paying them a bonus for every fucking twat who gets up in their face.

If I was a ref, and the players behaved the way they do, every game would be abandoned due to shortage of players.

[Nev]

We have sacrificed drama, passion and the glory of celebrating a goal for absolutely nothing.

Well done everyone, well done.

[Lsvilla]

Just out of interest - I'm away at the moment so only seen snippets on my phone but would Cam's goal have been awarded with Var ?

From the looks of it, probably not.

I don't see what VAR has brought to the game, though. I generally have a lot of respect for referees; they put up with a lot of shit, and I do believe that most of them just love the game and do their best. (There are exceptions, of course.)

VAR was intended to remove the subjectivity from decisions, but it's done the opposite. It has mainly drawn attention to the failures of linesmen, and highlighted the weird, arbitrary way that professional refs go about their jobs.

Mistakes happen, but I'd rather the money spent on VAR went into assessing refs for unconscious bias, teaching them about what constitutes handball, and paying them a bonus for every fucking twat who gets up in their face.

If I was a ref, and the players behaved the way they do, every game would be abandoned due to shortage of players.

Thanks. Plus agree with everything you've said.

[Rory]

Just out of interest - I'm away at the moment so only seen snippets on my phone but would Cam's goal have been awarded with Var ?

From the looks of it, probably not.

I don't see what VAR has brought to the game, though. I generally have a lot of respect for referees; they put up with a lot of shit, and I do believe that most of them just love the game and do their best. (There are exceptions, of course.)

VAR was intended to remove the subjectivity from decisions, but it's done the opposite. It has mainly drawn attention to the failures of linesmen, and highlighted the weird, arbitrary way that professional refs go about their jobs.

Mistakes happen, but I'd rather the money spent on VAR went into assessing refs for unconscious bias, teaching them about what constitutes handball, and paying them a bonus for every fucking twat who gets up in their face.

If I was a ref, and the players behaved the way they do, every game would be abandoned due to shortage of players.

Thanks. Plus agree with everything you've said.

Thanks buddy.

[ChicagoLion]

I see the UAE must’ve managed to persuade The VAR operator not to bother checking if Brentford goal was offside.

[CT]

We have sacrificed drama, passion and the glory of celebrating a goal for absolutely nothing.

Well done everyone, well done.

This 100% for me too.

Plus Leicester playing goal music seconds after the ball hits the net. Fans don’t even get a chance to celebrate a goal naturally.

[Gareth]

Just out of interest - I'm away at the moment so only seen snippets on my phone but would Cam's goal have been awarded with Var ?

From the looks of it, probably not.

I don't see what VAR has brought to the game, though. I generally have a lot of respect for referees; they put up with a lot of shit, and I do believe that most of them just love the game and do their best. (There are exceptions, of course.)

VAR was intended to remove the subjectivity from decisions, but it's done the opposite. It has mainly drawn attention to the failures of linesmen, and highlighted the weird, arbitrary way that professional refs go about their jobs.

Mistakes happen, but I'd rather the money spent on VAR went into assessing refs for unconscious bias, teaching them about what constitutes handball, and paying them a bonus for every fucking twat who gets up in their face.

If I was a ref, and the players behaved the way they do, every game would be abandoned due to shortage of players.

100%….the lack of respect referees have for themselves is absurd…chasing players to book them really annoys me…blow the whistle, call player to them, if they don’t immediately then a 2nd yellow is given, simple!  Booking players like Bruno who are in their ears all game would also set a nice precedent…all for occasional discussion but he is there for 90 minutes.

Would also like that VAR cash spent on recruiting some of the players who don’t make the grade at 18-22 to fast track as referees so we have refs who are physically fit not 40 odd year olds waddling round the centre circle.

[Baldy]

We have sacrificed drama, passion and the glory of celebrating a goal for absolutely nothing.

Well done everyone, well done.

This 100% for me too.

Plus Leicester playing goal music seconds after the ball hits the net. Fans don’t even get a chance to celebrate a goal naturally.

And me, 100%.

Fans can't celebrate a goal naturally (havn't hit the roof in a few years)

Defenders can't defend naturally (have to hold their arse with both hands)

Forwards can't attack naturally (have to be measure where their shoulder is lined up and not just their feet)

I don't celebrate a goal anymore to avoid the disappointment of it being disallowed. Not a conscious decision, just the way my body reacts naturally.

Naturally, I am pissed off.

[The Edge]

We have sacrificed drama, passion and the glory of celebrating a goal for absolutely nothing.

Well done everyone, well done.

Totally agree. But you should change the "we" for "they". As others have said the whole "subjective" cobblers is just that. It's a cop out to let them get away with the kind of nonsense var come up with yesterday. It's not subjective when someone looks at a screen and decides where the lines should go when deciding on a really tight offside. Move forward a frame and a player is offside. Move back a frame and he's onside That's not being subjective that's playing god.

[dcdavecollett]

After all the VARtroversy of Saturday's games on MotD, there wasn't even a mention of Grealish's dive against us or VAR's approval of same on MotD 2.

Still, it's only Villa, eh? Best not to upset Pep's darlings when they've had such a tough week...

[Nev]

Officials removed from games didn't work before VAR so why they think it will work now is beyond me. It's just a sap to moaning Managers.

It doesn't work, it never will and we'll be having the same conversation in 5 years time.

[Flamingo Lane]

I suppose it's too late now that the genie is out of the bottle, and perhaps the Premier League/FA wouldn't even now be permitted the change, but the biggest and quickest improvement to how VAR works would be to simply eliminate its use for offsides, and revert to reliance upon the linesmen doing their jobs, thereby making the game a whole lot simpler, and a whole lot more enjoyable.

[SamTheMouse]

I like VAR. It doesn't get everything right, but it gets more than enough right to justify its use.

[Lastfootstamper]

I'm the other way round on it. Get it working like it was at the World Cup, digital, virtual, and take it completely out of the officials' hands/eyes, like has been done with goal line decisions. The physical act of being offside is about the only thing in football which is a black and white matter, you're either cheating or you're not. If there's a subjective decision to be made about whether somebody somewhere on the pitch is compliant with the latest wording and interpretation of Law 11 then that can be referred back to the referee on the pitch.

And sack it off for everything else. Cos it's shit.

[olaftab]

Stop subjective nonsense for offside. If offside can be automated like goal line technology/no ball in cricket then stick with it otherwise get rid. Do NOT leave it to human beings to draw the fucking lines. Stop making decisions on different phases and someone was offide and they came back to block etc., just leave it to last man to touch the ball.
For other VAR decisions it's like as it's always been, human error will prevail however it's a lot better now that some errors can be corrected. I think on that VAR moves us from 60/40 to 90/10.