Yes my point is not to say that Pau hasn’t struggled for form this season, he clearly has and if you were picking players solely on who’s stronger in the air and more combative then you’d pick Mings. So my point isn’t that Mings is a bad player - but expanding out the sample size Pau has shown he can play as part of a functioning defensive system. He’s not a liability, he was a central part of what we were at our very best - and he is integral in getting our attacking play to work.His form needs to be better, but the issues with the whole defensive system within the team have influenced that. Pau at his best is a better player overall, but Ty has some good attributes and is a useful squad member and has been a great servant. If the end game was to have Ty starting every week we wouldn’t be good enough longer-term.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2025, 08:41:56 AMThe defensive mistake wasn’t ideal, but it happens. It was more him and Konsa being really poor on the ball that was the problem - failing to pick passes, playing passes too short etc.Kehrer was also Mings' man from the corner and is about four inches shorter, so he shouldn't really have been allowed to win the first header either.
The defensive mistake wasn’t ideal, but it happens. It was more him and Konsa being really poor on the ball that was the problem - failing to pick passes, playing passes too short etc.
Quote from: VillaTim on January 22, 2025, 08:12:05 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2025, 08:00:36 PMQuote from: VillaTim on January 22, 2025, 05:14:05 PMQuote from: AV82EC on January 22, 2025, 04:44:15 PMYep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped. Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically . It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.It's not a hint bias . Torres as a defender is a massive liability . Mings has improved the defence significantly already and he's not even at 100% yet . Argue with the stats for as long as you want , but Torres is a major issue in the centre of a defence . And if you're going to diminish Mings by referencing opponents we conceded 2 v Your Everton's , Ipswich's and Palaces with Torres as CB .If you include the Brighton game as a Mings game as Torres only played a couple of minutes, we’ve let in 7 goals in the last 6 games Mings has played, we let 9 in the previous 6 games Torres played, which included 3 against Newcastle when we were down to 10 men early doors. So stats wise were are letting in less but theres not a massive difference and certainly not enough of a difference for you to keep on propagating the narrative that Torres is the cause of most of our ills and Mings the saviour. And for the record I love what Mings has done for us.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2025, 08:00:36 PMQuote from: VillaTim on January 22, 2025, 05:14:05 PMQuote from: AV82EC on January 22, 2025, 04:44:15 PMYep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped. Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically . It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.It's not a hint bias . Torres as a defender is a massive liability . Mings has improved the defence significantly already and he's not even at 100% yet . Argue with the stats for as long as you want , but Torres is a major issue in the centre of a defence . And if you're going to diminish Mings by referencing opponents we conceded 2 v Your Everton's , Ipswich's and Palaces with Torres as CB .
Quote from: VillaTim on January 22, 2025, 05:14:05 PMQuote from: AV82EC on January 22, 2025, 04:44:15 PMYep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped. Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically . It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.
Quote from: AV82EC on January 22, 2025, 04:44:15 PMYep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped.
Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.
Very emotional seeing Ty in such pain.He even tried to carry on shows the character of the manPrayers and all positive thoughts to Mings.
Hopefully just jarred it with some bruising....hopefully for his sake.