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Offline brontebilly

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7890 on: January 22, 2025, 10:22:37 PM »
Yes my point is not to say that Pau hasn’t struggled for form this season, he clearly has and if you were picking players solely on who’s stronger in the air and more combative then you’d pick Mings. So my point isn’t that Mings is a bad player - but expanding out the sample size Pau has shown he can play as part of a functioning defensive system. He’s not a liability, he was a central part of what we were at our very best - and he is integral in getting our attacking play to work.

His form needs to be better, but the issues with the whole defensive system within the team have influenced that. Pau at his best is a better player overall, but Ty has some good attributes and is a useful squad member and has been a great servant. If the end game was to have Ty starting every week we wouldn’t be good enough longer-term.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I think we forget how good Mings was for Emery after we punted Gerrard. He was managing the high offside line, covering behind Moreno, running out with the ball a lot, dominating set pieces and his passing wasn't that bad at all. A completely new style of football for him and he was brilliant. From my memory he had to hand hold Konsa through some tough times then.

Torres had the summer off with not being in the Spain squad. He should have been spending that summer in the gym to be better ready physically for PL football.


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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7891 on: January 23, 2025, 03:54:29 AM »
The defensive mistake wasn’t ideal, but it happens. It was more him and Konsa being really poor on the ball that was the problem - failing to pick passes, playing passes too short etc.

Kehrer was also Mings' man from the corner and is about four inches shorter, so he shouldn't really have been allowed to win the first header either.

Did Mings have a specific player to mark? That’s a departure from the norm.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7892 on: January 23, 2025, 04:00:39 AM »
Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.
Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped.


Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically
. It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.
It's not a hint bias .
Torres as a defender is a massive liability . Mings has improved the defence significantly already and he's not even at 100% yet . Argue with the stats for as long as you want , but Torres is a major issue in the centre of a defence . And if you're going to diminish Mings by referencing opponents we conceded 2 v Your Everton's , Ipswich's and Palaces with Torres as CB .
If you include the Brighton game as a Mings game as Torres only played a couple of minutes, we’ve let in 7 goals in the last 6 games Mings has played, we let 9 in the previous 6 games Torres played, which included 3 against Newcastle when we were down to 10 men early doors. So stats wise were are letting in less but theres not a massive difference and certainly not enough of a difference for you to keep on propagating the narrative that Torres is the cause of most of our ills and Mings the saviour. And for the record I love what Mings has done for us.

Just a quick note on Brighton - we conceded one in the 13th minute while Torres was on, and one in the rest of the game while Mings was on.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7893 on: January 26, 2025, 05:19:21 PM »
Very emotional seeing Ty in such pain.
He even tried to carry on shows the character of the man
Prayers and all positive thoughts to Mings.


Offline Demitri_C

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7894 on: January 26, 2025, 05:23:24 PM »
Devastating for him

Offline malckennedy

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7895 on: January 26, 2025, 05:26:28 PM »
Very emotional seeing Ty in such pain.
He even tried to carry on shows the character of the man
Prayers and all positive thoughts to Mings.



Yeah, the prayers will definitely help.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7896 on: January 26, 2025, 05:30:54 PM »
Seemed to be his left knee rather then his just recovered right one. Doesn't mean it isn't serious though.

Offline AlexAlexCropley

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7897 on: January 26, 2025, 05:33:37 PM »
Could be something or nothing. Might be over cautious considering his previous injuries.

Offline Tuscans

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7898 on: January 26, 2025, 05:33:46 PM »
Hopefully just jarred it with some bruising....hopefully for his sake.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7899 on: January 26, 2025, 05:35:56 PM »
Hopefully just jarred it with some bruising....hopefully for his sake.

From the kind of impact it was and then his subsequent movement afterwards, looked like an MCL injury.

Offline Rigadon

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7900 on: January 26, 2025, 05:36:30 PM »
All things crossed for him.

Offline TelfordVilla

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7901 on: January 26, 2025, 05:40:40 PM »
So sad to see Tyrone going off again. Best wishes to him but I fear the worst.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7902 on: January 26, 2025, 06:01:49 PM »
Ty walking back to the bench is potentially a good sign.

Offline Demitri_C

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7903 on: January 26, 2025, 06:28:30 PM »
My god maatsens looked  cack

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7904 on: January 26, 2025, 06:35:09 PM »
Fingers crossed for him.

 


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