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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7830 on: January 16, 2025, 10:18:25 PM »
The point being made is , Pau Torres passing this season has been nothing special and that's his main strength as we know his defensive game is quite average .

His pass through to Duran for the goal versus Bayern will live long in our Villa memories.

Well not VillaTim's obviously.

Does anything? Including his username?

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7831 on: January 16, 2025, 10:28:49 PM »
Let me say I fucking love Tyrone Mings. Not just as a man outside of the game. But he embodies everything it is to be a Villa player. He’s not the best we’ve ever had. Probably not even in the top 10 CBs. But what he gives us 100% effort every single game.  He’s come back from a massive injury thrown into more games than I’m sure the manager wanted but is slowly giving us that assurance and dependability at the back we really needed. He’s never going to be Pau. Pau is never going to be Tyrone. They are just different and valuable in their own way. But Ty’s attitude is magnificent and he makes us better as a club.

Well said, he’s a great man. I’m been following the Villa since 1978 and not sure I can think of 10 better actually … Evans, McGrath, for sure. Maybe Laursen and Mellberg. Southgate and Ugo on a par
Teale worthy of a mention , but I'd have Mings certainly in the top 5 .

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7832 on: January 16, 2025, 10:30:56 PM »
The trouble with comparing Torres and Mings in defences under Emery is that for a significant portion of that time, Torres has not been playing with Kamara. You take the second half of the season with the "strong defence" under Mings, and the first half of last season with Kamara still playing, and defensively there isn't much difference. Attack was slightly better though.

Don't get me wrong, Mings is still better defensively, but Kamara coming back and getting fully fit is a bigger reason for us looking better. Take him out that game and Everton score at least one.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7833 on: January 17, 2025, 03:41:44 AM »
The point being made is , Pau Torres passing this season has been nothing special and that's his main strength as we know his defensive game is quite average .

His pass through to Duran for the goal versus Bayern will live long in our Villa memories.

Memory is not the strong point of H&Vers generally.  I’ve just read a post stating that Pau has looked better in the CL games. And he would be better if we replaced Carlos. That’s the bloke he’s played with in most* of the CL games, where we’ve conceded two goals from open play in six games.

*The exception being Bruges, when Carlos and Mings played. I think even the most forgetful H&Ver can remember what happened there.

Carlos is the only centre-back partner with whom Torres can keep a clean sheet with any regularity.

The truth is Konsa/Mings is our most efficient central defence.

Carlos/Pau is second.

Konsa/Pau is our worst.

It doesn’t make any difference if Coopers Injury was as thick as a Boxing Day turd (which he definitely was), if he came back and ranked them in that order (which I’m not saying he has) he’d be right. Opinions don’t trump facts.
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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7834 on: January 17, 2025, 03:45:33 AM »
Anyway glad we won , delighted we got a clean sheet, glad Konsa looked his old self with a stong partner at the back. Doubt we'd be saying this is Torres was in there .
Its boring. You’re banging on about Torres constantly. I love Mings for everything he’s done for us and long may it continue, but lets look at a few facts here. Torres got injured early on against Brighton, so Mings had most of that game, Leicester, West Ham and last night. Last night is the only game the defence has looked a lot tighter, against a really poor Everton side.
To give Mings his due he’s had ages out and has done brilliantly to get back, but you keep banging the same boring anti Torres drum, like a dull bloody ache.
Go back and look at Durans goal against Bayern and tell us which centre back in the whole league makes that pass between two sets of Bayern lines. This is the kind of passing Torres has been making for the whole time he’s been here.

It’s a good point. But worth remembering that we’ve only let in two goals in a game with Mings on the pitch once since that 2-4 Arsenal game. (Palace in the cup). Since that Arsenal game Big Ty has played in 22 games. (8 clean sheets, 13 where we’ve conceded 1).

22/23 - GA 46 (including 11 games under Gerrard, bettered only by the top four).
23/24 - GA 61




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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7835 on: January 17, 2025, 05:16:19 AM »
In the first half of last season Pau played the majority of games didn’t he? Genuine question, but that’s what I remember. Kamara did as well and as far as I can see out of 19 league games we conceded more than 1 five times.

So if we’re basing stuff on conceding 1 goal or less the defensive system appears to have been able to function with Pau in it.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7836 on: January 17, 2025, 05:42:18 AM »
In the first half of last season Pau played the majority of games didn’t he? Genuine question, but that’s what I remember. Kamara did as well and as far as I can see out of 19 league games we conceded more than 1 five times.

So if we’re basing stuff on conceding 1 goal or less the defensive system appears to have been able to function with Pau in it.

Interesting. Still, 5 times in 19 games, including 3 at Newcastle and 3 at Liverpool (just from memory). Not quite up there with 2, and never more than 2, conceded twice in 23 games, one of them with a second-string in the cup after more than a year out. (I’d forgotten Mings conceded 2 at Newcastle before he got injured).
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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7837 on: January 17, 2025, 07:10:11 AM »
Well yeah but doesn’t speak to the defensive ineptitude that gets pointed at Pau and I haven’t compared but I suspect our attacking play functioned really well in that time - so there is that point around the overall effectiveness of the team as a whole.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7838 on: January 17, 2025, 07:32:18 AM »
Basically, Konsa and Torres work best with a dominant player next to them. Mings works with Konsa, Carlos works best for Torres.

Mings and Torres hasn't been tried, probably because they both prefer the left. Konsa stays on the right, because that's where he works best.

That's the conundrum.

Carlos does ok but has more of a brain fart in him than we'd like, and isn't as good on the ball as Konsa, who in turn isn't as effective as a Right back as we'd like.

Mings is hugely dominant but isn't as good on the ball as Torres.

Id like to see us try a three, Konsa, Mings, Torres, with two forwards thinking and pacy full backs.

But We have Kamara who covers the right back position so well as he's just an exceptional player and reader of the game that he instinctively knows what to do if he's given a job by Emery.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7839 on: January 17, 2025, 03:22:53 PM »
Listening to Unai’s pre match presser v Arsenal, he seems to be suggesting Ty has struggled to get back up to the required levels, and not physically?

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7840 on: January 17, 2025, 03:30:27 PM »
Listening to Unai’s pre match presser v Arsenal, he seems to be suggesting Ty has struggled to get back up to the required levels, and not physically?
You got that from what Unai said because all I took from it was all positives.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7841 on: January 17, 2025, 03:41:17 PM »
Listening to Unai’s pre match presser v Arsenal, he seems to be suggesting Ty has struggled to get back up to the required levels, and not physically?
You got that from what Unai said because all I took from it was all positives.

Me too? I only hear positives and NO negatives apart from Mings has had to play a full game in each of the last 4 games, if that can be seen as a negative.  I see that as implying it's not ideal that he should do so given how long he's been out but needs must.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7842 on: January 17, 2025, 03:44:06 PM »
Yeah, just listened. Seemed pretty effusive in praise. Start of the season he wasn't ready fitness-wise, he is now and with Torres out his chance has arrived.

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7843 on: January 17, 2025, 03:44:09 PM »
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“It’s fantastic how he is progressively helping the team; his attitude, his commitment with the club.

“He struggled a lot last year at the beginning of the season; he was not feeling 100% to help the team. When the injury came to Pau Torres, it was his moment.

“He is really helping the team, helping us to play with his capacity and show again his skill and potential with us like he did before he was getting injured.

“Now, playing a lot of matches in a row, we have to try to be careful and protect him. Hopefully tomorrow he can feel recovered 100% and playing 90 minutes like he has played in the last matches.

“I’m very happy with how he is with his attitude, his commitment. He’s a leader for other players as well and he’s very important in different directions with the players in the squad, on the field and the message we want to send to the players about how we want to be demanding in our new way here in Aston Villa.”

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Re: Tyrone Mings
« Reply #7844 on: January 17, 2025, 03:48:02 PM »
Well yeah but doesn’t speak to the defensive ineptitude that gets pointed at Pau and I haven’t compared but I suspect our attacking play functioned really well in that time - so there is that point around the overall effectiveness of the team as a whole.

Yes, I suspect you’re right and inept is definitely too strong a word. I said when we bought him that he lacked the physicality to be a perfect PL defender and I think that’s been borne out, but he’s very good when you factor in his plus points. My oft-repeated mantra is ‘Konsa needs Mings, Pau needs a right-sided Mings’ and I think that’s been borne out too.

 


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