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Offline oldhill_avfc

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3240 on: January 04, 2021, 04:58:03 PM »
For me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly. 
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.

On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.

On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3241 on: January 04, 2021, 05:14:24 PM »
After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.
To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.

There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball

Mings leads the way, his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.

I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognition

For me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly. 
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.

On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.

On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.

I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.

Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season. 
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.

Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.

Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and  Mee

Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football

That's my observations and opinion.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2021, 12:28:36 AM by Footy-Vill »

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3242 on: January 04, 2021, 05:30:01 PM »
I think a lot of teams in the PL would be delighted to have Mings on their books.  Yes he makes some mistakes, but he brings a huge amount to the team and has played a massive part in where we are today.

I don't expect support to be unconditional, but in my view some of the critisism of him is OTT.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3243 on: January 04, 2021, 05:33:12 PM »
We would have no trouble shifting him.  Our manager and the coaching team have faith in him.  I'm willing to take their opinion over that of fans sat watching on tv every day of ther live long week.  Still far more awesomer than many a player we have had for the last 10 years.

Offline Allan C

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3244 on: January 04, 2021, 07:00:07 PM »
After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.
To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.

There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball

Kongs leads the way his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.

I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognition

For me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly. 
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.

On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.

On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.

I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.

Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season. 
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.

Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.

Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and  Mee

Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football

That's my observations and opinion.
Some great points made here. Currently I wouldn’t swap Mings for for any other central defender in Britain with the exception of Van Dijk. I think we’ve got the best central defensive pairing in the Premier League currently but in all honesty, they all make mistakes, Van Dijk included, and usually it’ll lead to conceding a goal. He’s learnt a lot in the last two seasons with us and I think he’s still learning. It’s very unfair to question his England position (and very disappointing from Villa fans) He’s miles ahead of Maguire or Stones and a quick look at this seasons record indicates the defence is doing something right

Offline oldhill_avfc

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3245 on: January 04, 2021, 09:09:23 PM »
After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.
To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.

There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball

Kongs leads the way his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.

I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognition

For me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly. 
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.

On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.

On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.

I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.

Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season. 
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.

Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.

Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and  Mee

Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football

That's my observations and opinion.

Apologies for quotathon ...

You've cited my post in the context of suggesting we should more supportive of Mings - despite me citing him as excellent leader and having great distribution skills.

You then march off on a total red herring of comparisons with other English defenders which is something Southgate needs to worry about, not Dean Smith.

You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope.

It isn't really that contentious.


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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3246 on: January 04, 2021, 09:27:29 PM »
Tyrone the Merciless is 27 and has battled his way through divisions and against massive obstacles/injuries.  In comparison a player such as Jonny Evans who is now thirty twree(?) is, arguably, playing the best football of his career.  Why will Mings need to be "inevitably" be replaced? Is he incapable of improvement?  He may be one of the most improved English CB's currently playing.  Has he topped out?  Where does this info copme from?  Has anybody told Smith?  If he has been told why does he continue to play him???

Offline oldhill_avfc

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3247 on: January 04, 2021, 09:53:35 PM »
It's all about opinions.

There's no inevitability about I because as you say he could improve.

The problem as I see at the moment is that his error rate hasn't improved in the 50 or so premier league games for us.

He has some massive plus points and an upgrade is way off being the priority. But, when may on here felt that Hause should have retained his place then the discussion is both interesting and valid.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3248 on: January 04, 2021, 10:04:38 PM »
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope."  Oldhill_AVFC

It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out,  and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do.  They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team.  That's just my opinion.  You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself.  You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2021, 10:27:42 PM by DrGonzo »

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3249 on: January 04, 2021, 10:14:19 PM »
I don't agree about the error rate, oldhill. He's hugely less calamitous than last season. We've not conceded a goal to a defensive turnover this season, have we?

Offline Allan C

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3250 on: January 04, 2021, 10:20:09 PM »
It's all about opinions.

There's no inevitability about I because as you say he could improve.

The problem as I see at the moment is that his error rate hasn't improved in the 50 or so premier league games for us.

He has some massive plus points and an upgrade is way off being the priority. But, when may on here felt that Hause should have retained his place then the discussion is both interesting and valid.
Surely our defensive record this season says otherwise??? The most clean sheets?? He, along with the others must be doing something right.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3251 on: January 04, 2021, 10:24:37 PM »
I'd still rather Tyrone be playing for us than, say, Tottenham, Everton etc.  He a great player and an excellent chap and I'm proud of him for what he does the BLM and the mental health campaigns led by the villa supporting future King.  Oh, he is also still a fantastic player, who makes the odd rick here and there. Different players I know, but we don't moan too much when Jack takes a wrong decision on the pitch, shoots when he should have passed, or vice versa, hangs on to it for too long or generally has a quiet game.  Tyrone is one of ours, loves playing for the Villa.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3252 on: January 04, 2021, 10:28:36 PM »
I'd still rather Tyrone be playing for us than, say, Tottenham, Everton etc.  He a great player and an excellent chap and I'm proud of him for what he does the BLM and the mental health campaigns led by the villa supporting future King.  Oh, he is also still a fantastic player, who makes the odd rick here and there. Different players I know, but we don't moan too much when Jack takes a wrong decision on the pitch, shoots when he should have passed, or vice versa, hangs on to it for too long or generally has a quiet game.  Tyrone is one of ours, loves playing for the Villa.

This.

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3253 on: January 04, 2021, 10:30:33 PM »
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope."  Oldhill_AVFC

It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out,  and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do.  They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team.  That's just my opinion.  You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself.  You never know you may be better at that than them, too.

I'm not sure you are getting how forums work....any plumbing advice though ?

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Re: Tyrone Mings - signed permanently and confirmed as even more awesome
« Reply #3254 on: January 04, 2021, 10:36:50 PM »
It's water in pipes. All plumbers are thieves.

 


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