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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5250 on: June 13, 2021, 11:36:18 AM »
Something good always comes out of bad as they say Rory ;D

True enough 🙂

It's just typical, because I personally would've enjoyed today's play a lot more without the loudmouth 'footie lads', who presumably would've given the cricket a miss to spend the day booing England's footballers.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5251 on: June 13, 2021, 12:25:34 PM »
Less than 15 overs played so full refunds all round. Useless tossers couldn't even drag it out long enough to make Warwickshire a few quid...

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5252 on: June 13, 2021, 12:35:16 PM »
Well they now have the opportunity to reflect. It really is back to the drawing board.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5253 on: June 13, 2021, 12:52:59 PM »
Hopefully it will inspire the Kiwis to stuff the Indian bigots in the World Test Championship Final.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5254 on: June 13, 2021, 01:24:17 PM »
Less than 15 overs played so full refunds all round. Useless tossers couldn't even drag it out long enough to make Warwickshire a few quid...
Yes that's the most annoying thing about this. The first time in few years hosting a test match the weather is great and  County  has a chance to make some money over 5 days and incompetent buffoons fuck it up.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5255 on: June 13, 2021, 08:17:48 PM »
I think one shift thatís created imbalance is the apparent decision that Broad and Anderson are going to play together. Thatís fine, but you canít then mix it with their desire to have a fast attack, because it means your suddenly forced to have four seamers and no spinner to carry to workload.

I think rotating Jimmy and Broad makes sense at this stage and I get the impression someone doesnít want to make the tough call so is fudging it.

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« Reply #5256 on: June 13, 2021, 08:39:01 PM »
I think one shift thatís created imbalance is the apparent decision that Broad and Anderson are going to play together. Thatís fine, but you canít then mix it with their desire to have a fast attack, because it means your suddenly forced to have four seamers and no spinner to carry to workload.

I think rotating Jimmy and Broad makes sense at this stage and I get the impression someone doesnít want to make the tough call so is fudging it.

Agree, again. It's the most sensible 'rotation' decision we could make, yet it's the one we appear most reluctant to. I'd never start a test without a frontline spinner, unless it's truly exceptional circumstances.

Root was visibly angry yesterday and today. Purely conjecture, but I wonder if his input into selection has been reduced. Getting rid of Ed Smith's role struck me as a strange decision, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is an anti-'design by committee' approach, and they're looking for Silverwood to be the head architect of the team.

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« Reply #5257 on: June 13, 2021, 09:37:17 PM »
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I think one shift thatís created imbalance is the apparent decision that Broad and Anderson are going to play together. Thatís fine, but you canít then mix it with their desire to have a fast attack, because it means your suddenly forced to have four seamers and no spinner to carry to workload.

I think rotating Jimmy and Broad makes sense at this stage and I get the impression someone doesnít want to make the tough call so is fudging it.

Think it is the absence of Stokes that causes the imbalance Paul, as we don't have another all-rounder who can be the 4th seamer and bat in the top six.  Moeen Ali's decline in form has meant we haven't got a spinner who could possibly bat in the top six either, so it then becomes a problem to find that balance. 

With both Sam Curran and Woakes not available, the option of batting a seamer at seven and moving the keeper up to six was gone as well.

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« Reply #5258 on: June 13, 2021, 09:39:19 PM »
I think/fear thereís a lack of challenging voices in selection. I get the impression Jack Leach is fairly quiet and unlikely to cause a fuss, so not the sort that will cause trouble if not selected. Itís a really obvious call, but someone should have saying in the first test ďyou need a spinnerĒ. For the second test there should have been someone screaming that they must pick a spinner. There clearly wasnít and the team suffered. The spinner isnít the only issue, but itís indicative of poor selection.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5259 on: June 13, 2021, 10:18:15 PM »
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I think one shift thatís created imbalance is the apparent decision that Broad and Anderson are going to play together. Thatís fine, but you canít then mix it with their desire to have a fast attack, because it means your suddenly forced to have four seamers and no spinner to carry to workload.

I think rotating Jimmy and Broad makes sense at this stage and I get the impression someone doesnít want to make the tough call so is fudging it.

Think it is the absence of Stokes that causes the imbalance Paul, as we don't have another all-rounder who can be the 4th seamer and bat in the top six.  Moeen Ali's decline in form has meant we haven't got a spinner who could possibly bat in the top six either, so it then becomes a problem to find that balance. 

With both Sam Curran and Woakes not available, the option of batting a seamer at seven and moving the keeper up to six was gone as well.

That's why i'm so pissed off at how they've handled Woakes in the last year, he'd make a big difference by batting at 7 and he is very good at Lords and Edgbaston.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5260 on: June 13, 2021, 10:20:55 PM »
The Broad/Anderson partnership has been brilliant but is a thing in decline now and I agree that we need to start to look to the future.  Agree about the spinner too, Moeen isn't in great England form but seemingly no worse that Crawley, Sibley and Pope.  Beaten in just over three days is a disgrace and the sort of thing we used to do to Bangladesh.  I haven't been impressed with selection, the lack of guts from the management either.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5261 on: June 13, 2021, 10:47:50 PM »
Broad and Jimmy are both still world class, but I don't think they offer the variety anymore. There's nothing wrong with selecting one or the other.

I agree with Paul that Woakes should be an absolute necessity if Stokes is out. I love Woakesy, and I'd have him involved most tests, so bias admitted.

Unless you're playing at Chester Le-Street in April, you have a spinner. Simple as that.

All this talk about 'balance of the team'. I'm sorry, but I think I'd be happier if we played Root, a specialist 'keeper and 9 bowlers. I just don't see what we actually gain by thinking 'our batting is shite, so let's have as many batters as possible'.

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« Reply #5262 on: June 14, 2021, 09:47:26 PM »
Broad and Jimmy are both still world class, but I don't think they offer the variety anymore. There's nothing wrong with selecting one or the other.

I agree with Paul that Woakes should be an absolute necessity if Stokes is out. I love Woakesy, and I'd have him involved most tests, so bias admitted.

Unless you're playing at Chester Le-Street in April, you have a spinner. Simple as that.

All this talk about 'balance of the team'. I'm sorry, but I think I'd be happier if we played Root, a specialist 'keeper and 9 bowlers. I just don't see what we actually gain by thinking 'our batting is shite, so let's have as many batters as possible'.

I am biased when it comes to Woakes as well, but feel that Sam Curran is above him now in the eyes of the selectors, especially as he offers the variety of the left arm option.  Agree that either one of those two has to play though if Stokes is out. 

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5263 on: June 14, 2021, 10:21:41 PM »
I think Woakes, Curran, or potentially Robinson have to play even if Stokes is playing.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #5264 on: June 14, 2021, 11:09:13 PM »
I think for the short/medium term Malan would be a good option at 3. Heís got big runs for Yorks, he has successfully recent international experience (albeit in 20/20, but itíll help his belief), and heís scored runs in Australia. Iíd be confident he could do a decent job for the next 18 months or so.

 


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