Quote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 01:10:07 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:05:23 PMQuote from: Monty on February 25, 2021, 12:41:41 PMIt's not even that the pitches absurdly favour India. They'll win this match but they might have lost it, their batsmen had no chance either.Absolutely, I don't think it's any disrespect to Root to suggest that him getting 5-8 points to the pitch being a minefield.With the pitches clearly being prepared to take spin early, I do think they favour India as they have better spinners.Of course, we often do the same at home too. I guess the differences is even at home it maybe a tricky first session or so but then improves, before deteriorating.The last pitch just simply got worse from the first ball being bowled, with the pitch disintegrating. It's fine having pitches which favour the home team, that's going to happen naturally. People grow up in different climates, climate affects the kind of cricket they'll learn, later on they find themselves better at home conditions than away. But this is preposterous - yeah it favours India, but if a batsman gets 0 it doesn't matter what your bowlers do.
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:05:23 PMQuote from: Monty on February 25, 2021, 12:41:41 PMIt's not even that the pitches absurdly favour India. They'll win this match but they might have lost it, their batsmen had no chance either.Absolutely, I don't think it's any disrespect to Root to suggest that him getting 5-8 points to the pitch being a minefield.With the pitches clearly being prepared to take spin early, I do think they favour India as they have better spinners.Of course, we often do the same at home too. I guess the differences is even at home it maybe a tricky first session or so but then improves, before deteriorating.The last pitch just simply got worse from the first ball being bowled, with the pitch disintegrating.
Quote from: Monty on February 25, 2021, 12:41:41 PMIt's not even that the pitches absurdly favour India. They'll win this match but they might have lost it, their batsmen had no chance either.Absolutely, I don't think it's any disrespect to Root to suggest that him getting 5-8 points to the pitch being a minefield.
It's not even that the pitches absurdly favour India. They'll win this match but they might have lost it, their batsmen had no chance either.
Quote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 01:10:07 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:05:23 PMQuote from: Monty on February 25, 2021, 12:41:41 PMIt's not even that the pitches absurdly favour India. They'll win this match but they might have lost it, their batsmen had no chance either.Absolutely, I don't think it's any disrespect to Root to suggest that him getting 5-8 points to the pitch being a minefield.With the pitches clearly being prepared to take spin early, I do think they favour India as they have better spinners.Of course, we often do the same at home too. I guess the differences is even at home it maybe a tricky first session or so but then improves, before deteriorating.The last pitch just simply got worse from the first ball being bowled, with the pitch disintegrating. I'm fine with pitches favouring the home team but there has to be some balance to it, you have to think that if a batsman plays well he'll get the rewards and be able to post a big score, that's not the case here, it's just a case of scoring as many as possible before you get one with your name on it. Today has been even worse than I thought when I was moaning about it yesterday.What really bothers me is I hate watching a game where the bat or ball completely dominates, it's just not interesting to watch.
I completely agree we were under par in the first innings but even if we'd played well I doubt we'd have been looking at much more than 170-180. As it happens I think another 70 on the board (as we should've made) would make us favourites right now.All along I was never trying to make an excuse for a poor batting performance (which included some bewildering shot selection) just pointing out that even exceptional batting wouldn't have been enough for a big score here. At best you could get a bit lucky and flash to the sort of scores Crawley and Rohit managed.
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:48:55 PMI completely agree we were under par in the first innings but even if we'd played well I doubt we'd have been looking at much more than 170-180. As it happens I think another 70 on the board (as we should've made) would make us favourites right now.All along I was never trying to make an excuse for a poor batting performance (which included some bewildering shot selection) just pointing out that even exceptional batting wouldn't have been enough for a big score here. At best you could get a bit lucky and flash to the sort of scores Crawley and Rohit managed.We were 74-2 in the first innings, getting to 200 at least should have been doable from there.
Quote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 01:58:23 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:48:55 PMI completely agree we were under par in the first innings but even if we'd played well I doubt we'd have been looking at much more than 170-180. As it happens I think another 70 on the board (as we should've made) would make us favourites right now.All along I was never trying to make an excuse for a poor batting performance (which included some bewildering shot selection) just pointing out that even exceptional batting wouldn't have been enough for a big score here. At best you could get a bit lucky and flash to the sort of scores Crawley and Rohit managed.We were 74-2 in the first innings, getting to 200 at least should have been doable from there. True, but India were in a similar position and didn't make it either despite being much more accustomed to the conditions. Also in both cases it was largely down to 1 player, as soon as they were out there were no decent partnerships.That said England came out for this current session looking like they knew the match was gone and now we're not bowling with the same intensity it suddenly it looks a lot easier to score. That's been the bigger difference for me, their bowling has been more disciplined in just hitting the right line and letting the pitch do the work for England there's been too many loose deliveries that have let them score cheap runs. In such a tight game even 5-6 cheap boundaries is game changing.
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 02:17:50 PMQuote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 01:58:23 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:48:55 PMI completely agree we were under par in the first innings but even if we'd played well I doubt we'd have been looking at much more than 170-180. As it happens I think another 70 on the board (as we should've made) would make us favourites right now.All along I was never trying to make an excuse for a poor batting performance (which included some bewildering shot selection) just pointing out that even exceptional batting wouldn't have been enough for a big score here. At best you could get a bit lucky and flash to the sort of scores Crawley and Rohit managed.We were 74-2 in the first innings, getting to 200 at least should have been doable from there. True, but India were in a similar position and didn't make it either despite being much more accustomed to the conditions. Also in both cases it was largely down to 1 player, as soon as they were out there were no decent partnerships.That said England came out for this current session looking like they knew the match was gone and now we're not bowling with the same intensity it suddenly it looks a lot easier to score. That's been the bigger difference for me, their bowling has been more disciplined in just hitting the right line and letting the pitch do the work for England there's been too many loose deliveries that have let them score cheap runs. In such a tight game even 5-6 cheap boundaries is game changing.Well batting is so often about partnerships. I don't think there were too many concerns about the pitch when Crawley was moving his feet and driving nicely to various parts of the ground.I wonder if the pink ball is actually part of the issue - they were talking about the lacquer and how it can be very skiddy.
I don't think I've ever seen so few runs scored across all innings of a completed test.
Quote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 02:21:00 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 02:17:50 PMQuote from: aev on February 25, 2021, 01:58:23 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 01:48:55 PMI completely agree we were under par in the first innings but even if we'd played well I doubt we'd have been looking at much more than 170-180. As it happens I think another 70 on the board (as we should've made) would make us favourites right now.All along I was never trying to make an excuse for a poor batting performance (which included some bewildering shot selection) just pointing out that even exceptional batting wouldn't have been enough for a big score here. At best you could get a bit lucky and flash to the sort of scores Crawley and Rohit managed.We were 74-2 in the first innings, getting to 200 at least should have been doable from there. True, but India were in a similar position and didn't make it either despite being much more accustomed to the conditions. Also in both cases it was largely down to 1 player, as soon as they were out there were no decent partnerships.That said England came out for this current session looking like they knew the match was gone and now we're not bowling with the same intensity it suddenly it looks a lot easier to score. That's been the bigger difference for me, their bowling has been more disciplined in just hitting the right line and letting the pitch do the work for England there's been too many loose deliveries that have let them score cheap runs. In such a tight game even 5-6 cheap boundaries is game changing.Well batting is so often about partnerships. I don't think there were too many concerns about the pitch when Crawley was moving his feet and driving nicely to various parts of the ground.I wonder if the pink ball is actually part of the issue - they were talking about the lacquer and how it can be very skiddy.I agree the pink ball played a part and the extra lacquer on it probably added to the problems. I think what was happening is some were gripping heavily the dust and getting big turn and losing pace and others were skidding on and coming off the pitch faster than expected. With his flat action that was particularly important for Axar. I'd like to see some side-by-sides of how quickly the straight ones got from the pitch to the stumps compared to the ones that spun, I reckon it'll be a significant change.All in I think it was a bit of a perfect storm of everything working to make it a bowlers dream.
The reason it's a two day Test is that the both the pitch and the batting are not good enough. From both sides, but equally both sides have been imprisoned by a terror of a surface.