Preston NE 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread

[mr underhill]

Skillz you'll now this in a flash - who is out of contract in the summer/and or loan? I bet there'd loads including U23 players?

[SheffieldVillain]

Which youngsters?

Bree is just 21 and is in the team, Revan is on the bench.

Clark, Suliman, Lyden & Green are/have been on loan, O'Hare injured, Doyle-Hayes ill, Hepburn-Murphy presumably injured (not sure on that one but it'd be a rarity if not).

Posters who have watched the U21s have said Bedeau is nowhere near ready.
 
Genuine question. Which youngster that is fit and ready should he have thrown in?

[The Edge]

I don't see how posting honestly about a under par performance that you have just watched
pointing out what you see are the strengths and weakness of the side and how you think we should move forward is always seen as being negative

while I'm on the negative theme,
if there is not one single player in the youth/academy/outer squad who isn't good enough to replace just one of the following Whelan, BB, Hourahane, Taylor, Elmo, Hutton, Hogan,Lansbury Nyland when they play poorly or are tired

we might as well close the entire youth academy down, because although they seem to get  good results and we rave about them from time to time, it just isn't working

or Smith isn't brave enough, take your pick

I agree and don’t get the “he can only work with what Bruce left him” argument.

You don't get that he can only work with what Bruce left him? What's not to get about that?
Anyways the situation is about to be changed in January.

I don’t get that you didn’t read the post above from John that I was responding to. What about trying the youngsters? Smith is here to start a new era and not rely on “tried and not trusted” methods.

Nothing wrong with giving the youngsters a go but are they good enough or ready for it. That's Smith's call and he obviously doesn't think they are.

[Ads]

Which youngsters?

Bree is just 21 and is in the team, Revan is on the bench.

Clark, Suliman, Lyden & Green are/have been on loan, O'Hare injured, Doyle-Hayes ill, Hepburn-Murphy presumably injured (not sure on that one but it'd be a rarity if not).

Posters who have watched the U21s have said Bedeau is nowhere near ready.
 
Genuine question. Which youngster that is fit and ready should he have thrown in?

You took my words away. With O'Hare injured and us not having problems up top, the two obvious ones can't play.

[Toronto Villa]

That’s true. I’ve been a mild critic of us not playing more kids but looking at that it’s jot like he’s got mant if any real options. It’s amazing the position he finds himself in.

I still go back to my thoughts that not going up this season isn’t altogether a bad thing. With the teams likely to go up and come down, a full pre season and 2 windows for Smith, surely makes us very strong favourites for automatic next season.

[sickbeggar]

Which youngsters?

Bree is just 21 and is in the team, Revan is on the bench.

Clark, Suliman, Lyden & Green are/have been on loan, O'Hare injured, Doyle-Hayes ill, Hepburn-Murphy presumably injured (not sure on that one but it'd be a rarity if not).

Posters who have watched the U21s have said Bedeau is nowhere near ready.
 
Genuine question. Which youngster that is fit and ready should he have thrown in?

You took my words away. With O'Hare injured and us not having problems up top, the two obvious ones can't play.

.

Yep. It was a major frustration for me under Bruce that he never went for the youth unless forced to by circumstances, but atm the clamour to play them seems to be based on desperation rather than any real belief in them. In an idea world, the youth players should be part of your set-up at the start of the season if they're deemed ready. For example if Bruce had left us any sort of centre halves at the start of the season you could have had chester, a.n.other, elphick, youth player, instead of chester, and erm jedinak with Tuanzebe at right back! Now we'd be asking some kid to find his feet in a defence where all of them formwise are a bit "iffy". I'd like to see maybe Suliman given a shot in the first team squad if we had chester, a.n.other, Tuanzebe (when available) and elphick to choose from so he can be eased in, but not to be dropped in the deep end where he's likely to get very little help from his colleagues. That's if Smith deems him good enough, and you have to say, he's gonna be 21 in January and if he doesn't start making a few appearance soon, i doubt he ever will.

[ktvillan]

Which youngsters?

Bree is just 21 and is in the team, Revan is on the bench.

Clark, Suliman, Lyden & Green are/have been on loan, O'Hare injured, Doyle-Hayes ill, Hepburn-Murphy presumably injured (not sure on that one but it'd be a rarity if not).

Posters who have watched the U21s have said Bedeau is nowhere near ready.
 
Genuine question. Which youngster that is fit and ready should he have thrown in?

You took my words away. With O'Hare injured and us not having problems up top, the two obvious ones can't play.

Thirded.  It's bizarre to have a dig at the manager for not playing players who simply aren't available for one reason or another.

[Toronto Villa]

Skillz you'll now this in a flash - who is out of contract in the summer/and or loan? I bet there'd loads including U23 players?

Check the transfer thread. I posted the contracts situation for the next two seasons.

[ASHTONVILLA]

I live in Preston, so usually sit in the family stand for this one with my little boy. He enjoys it and gets to support both sides (his mums family are all PNE fans).

I was looking forwards to seeing the progress under Smith, but have to say we didn't look as good as we did at the same fixture last year under Bruce, so a tad disappointed especially as all the PNE fans I know were expecting a hiding.

That said we had enough chances in the last 15 minutes to have won it. Barney did more in his 15 minutes than Whelan did all game and made a difference, would like to see hime start the next game.

Chester and Bree were dreadful, I really do not think Bree will ever be good enough and would like us to get rid. Elmo and Hutton did ok, El Ghazi was awful, Bolasie was awful, Hourihane was anonymous. McGin and Abraham at least put a shift in.

Special mention for Nyland - terrible. He actually slipped over three times! Sooner the new GK comes in the better.

[Matt Collins]

Judging on that game no progress

But thats probably the worst we've played under Smith

[KRS]

Worryingly the same was said after Stoke and Leeds.

[Legion]

Things can only get better...

[footyskillz]

Skillz you'll now this in a flash - who is out of contract in the summer/and or loan? I bet there'd loads including U23 players?

Albert Adomah & Hutton  (year's extension options I think?)
Gk Steer & Bunn (think has a rolling contract option)

Defenders
Micah Richards,
Tommy Elphick
Ritchie De Laet

Midfielders
Mile Jedinak  who is 34
Glenn Whelan who is 35

Youngster
Jordan Lyden,
Easah Suliman,
Mitch Clark,
Harry McKirdy,

[Toronto Villa]

Things can only get better...

They absolutely will. If not by the end of this season then most certainly next.

[ChicagoLion]

Things are a lot better than a few months ago.
We are struggling a bit at the moment down to injuries and fatigue.
I also think Smith has made a few errors of judgement but no where near the abject failure of the Bruce tenure.
This division is a real slog and momentum is everything.
We need to get that going again.