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Offline steamer

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12915 on: May 16, 2021, 06:46:01 PM »
Someone said earlier, there is a structure behind Dean, Not like when Oneil was in charge
I think we all want Dean to succeed , investment in midfield and creative forwards is there for all to be seen
If we start next season like we are ending this one, I am sure the owners will have a plan B
\Look at Chelsea, nobody could have been more popular than frank yet he got the chop
I am sure like any professional organisation there is a succession plan in place

Offline Villan82

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12916 on: May 16, 2021, 06:53:34 PM »
Earlier this season we were all saying how disappointed we would be to finish behind a really poor Arsenal team. Well, we really have just sunk - 6 points behind them with two to play.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12917 on: May 16, 2021, 07:34:44 PM »
I donít see how a club with aspirations of European football can have a manager that loses so many points from winning positions.smith obviously has talent in preparing and coaching the team but useless at game management.
He has no idea how to close a game out

Offline Ads

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12918 on: May 16, 2021, 07:38:47 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12919 on: May 16, 2021, 07:40:43 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12920 on: May 16, 2021, 07:49:01 PM »
I really don't think there is any "decision" to be made this summer.  This is the end of his 3rd season with us, and we have improved in each and every one of those seasons. Yes, there have been stretches of incredible form, and stretches of very poor form - but season-on-season, we're improving.

Now, that said, we are now very much at the point where the law of diminishing returns REALLY kicks in. It is a LOT easier to go from 17th to 11th, than it is to go from 11th into the top 6.  The pressure will really be on next season, particularly if we've invested a reasonable amount again this summer, and if we look like still being a midtable side by Xmas (and there aren't some obvious reasons that are beyond Dean's control), then I think his time might be up. 

But I'm very hopeful that with another couple of additions we will be genuine European candidates next season.

Agree.  I think we somewhat overachieved in the first half of the season and underachieved in the second half.  What I do think has to be considered when judging Dean Smithís performance this season is that we still arenít really there squad wise and Grealishís injury coupled with Barkleyís non-performance have hit us pretty hard. 

All that said, I think he has achieved what was expected this season and as a result I think questions about his future are a little unreasonable really.  He needs the chance to work with a strengthened squad next season, but I think the expectations will be that we will be firmly ensconced in the top ten and competitive in cup competitions.  If he canít manage that with the additional resources that are expected to arrive this summer, then I think questions could be asked at that point. 

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12921 on: May 16, 2021, 08:00:18 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12922 on: May 16, 2021, 08:15:52 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.
I donít think any one can deny it had an impact.
I just donít think it can continue to excuse such poor returns from winning positions over 2 seasons.
He never seems to make a proactive decision, at best itís reactive at worst passive and indecisive.


Offline john2710

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12923 on: May 16, 2021, 08:21:02 PM »
The player's we recruit over the summer won't be down to Smith, so it's not a case of trusting him with £100m.

His job is to get a tune out of the player's at his disposal & over almost 3 seasons he's just about done that. I think the owners will give him the chance.

Next season practically all of the sub-standard players will be moved on. But if we don't deliver Smith will be gone.

Offline RamboandBruno

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12924 on: May 16, 2021, 08:43:03 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.
I donít think any one can deny it had an impact.
I just donít think it can continue to excuse such poor returns from winning positions over 2 seasons.
He never seems to make a proactive decision, at best itís reactive at worst passive and indecisive.

He never seems to make a proactive decision apart from the times he has and weíve won games, or again are the numerous games weíve won only down to the players and not Smith, in which case he canít win with you and the same posters on here who wanted him gone last season.

There is nothing surer than Smith will get the sack at some point, itís the nature of the beast of the last 40 odd years, unless your Alex Ferguson, or we really progress quickly and he moves on from us. However, despite the disappointments of 2021, he has done a good job and progressed us. Heís suffered this year from losing his biggest big game player for 1/3 of the season and one of his others being a gamble that has not paid off. Letís see who we get in, who we let go and how we do next season. Talk of getting rid now, strikes me as the kind of over privileged stuff, Ďweíre Aston Villa donít you know who we areí. weíve heard this kind of stuff from some Wolves fans moaning about Nuno.
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Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12925 on: May 16, 2021, 08:50:43 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.
I donít think any one can deny it had an impact.
I just donít think it can continue to excuse such poor returns from winning positions over 2 seasons.
He never seems to make a proactive decision, at best itís reactive at worst passive and indecisive.

He never seems to make a proactive decision apart from the times he has and weíve won games, or again are the numerous games weíve won only down to the players and not Smith, in which case he canít win with you and the same posters on here who wanted him gone last season.

There is nothing surer than Smith will get the sack at some point, itís the nature of the beast of the last 40 odd years, unless your Alex Ferguson, or we really progress quickly and he moves on from us. However, despite the disappointments of 2021, he has done a good job and progressed us. Heís suffered this year from losing his biggest big game player for 1/3 of the season and one of his others being a gamble that has paid off. Letís see who we get in, who we let go and how we do next season. Talk of getting rid now, strikes me as the kind of over privileged stuff, Ďweíre Aston Villa donít you know who we areí. weíve heard this kind of stuff from some Wolves fans moaning about Nuno.
do You need  to see the stats regarding losing points from winning positions?


Offline mr underhill

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12926 on: May 16, 2021, 08:59:07 PM »
Dean's done well but that shouldn't stop the owners from trying to recruit someone better.

Offline RamboandBruno

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12927 on: May 16, 2021, 09:05:33 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.
I donít think any one can deny it had an impact.
I just donít think it can continue to excuse such poor returns from winning positions over 2 seasons.
He never seems to make a proactive decision, at best itís reactive at worst passive and indecisive.

He never seems to make a proactive decision apart from the times he has and weíve won games, or again are the numerous games weíve won only down to the players and not Smith, in which case he canít win with you and the same posters on here who wanted him gone last season.

There is nothing surer than Smith will get the sack at some point, itís the nature of the beast of the last 40 odd years, unless your Alex Ferguson, or we really progress quickly and he moves on from us. However, despite the disappointments of 2021, he has done a good job and progressed us. Heís suffered this year from losing his biggest big game player for 1/3 of the season and one of his others being a gamble that has paid off. Letís see who we get in, who we let go and how we do next season. Talk of getting rid now, strikes me as the kind of over privileged stuff, Ďweíre Aston Villa donít you know who we areí. weíve heard this kind of stuff from some Wolves fans moaning about Nuno.
do You need  to see the stats regarding losing points from winning positions?

Nope Iím capable of reading and absorbing those stats myself, just as Iím capable of reading the stats relating to the games weíve won. You can use the stats in whichever way you want and youíve wanted Smith out since last year apart from a brief interlude of non criticism pre new year. Iím sure youíll get your wish at some point and youíll be pleased enough.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12928 on: May 16, 2021, 09:26:06 PM »
Pre-Covid we lost 0 points from winning positions and post Covid we've lost 19.
so itís still down to Covid?

Think that statistic demonstrates it was a significant event in the season. There's been other factors too, there is no single cause for the up and down nature of the season. But 9 of our players contracting a disease isn't too handy.
I donít think any one can deny it had an impact.
I just donít think it can continue to excuse such poor returns from winning positions over 2 seasons.
He never seems to make a proactive decision, at best itís reactive at worst passive and indecisive.

He never seems to make a proactive decision apart from the times he has and weíve won games, or again are the numerous games weíve won only down to the players and not Smith, in which case he canít win with you and the same posters on here who wanted him gone last season.

There is nothing surer than Smith will get the sack at some point, itís the nature of the beast of the last 40 odd years, unless your Alex Ferguson, or we really progress quickly and he moves on from us. However, despite the disappointments of 2021, he has done a good job and progressed us. Heís suffered this year from losing his biggest big game player for 1/3 of the season and one of his others being a gamble that has paid off. Letís see who we get in, who we let go and how we do next season. Talk of getting rid now, strikes me as the kind of over privileged stuff, Ďweíre Aston Villa donít you know who we areí. weíve heard this kind of stuff from some Wolves fans moaning about Nuno.
do You need  to see the stats regarding losing points from winning positions?

Nope Iím capable of reading and absorbing those stats myself, just as Iím capable of reading the stats relating to the games weíve won. You can use the stats in whichever way you want and youíve wanted Smith out since last year apart from a brief interlude of non criticism pre new year. Iím sure youíll get your wish at some point and youíll be pleased enough.
you obviously have a very selective memory.

Offline nigel

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #12929 on: May 16, 2021, 09:29:20 PM »
Earlier this season we were all saying how disappointed we would be to finish behind a really poor Arsenal team. Well, we really have just sunk - 6 points behind them with two to play.

Whereas we started the season like an express train then ran out of steam, Arsenal started the season poorly and have gradually got better, Liverpool also started poorly, but quickly got up to speed.

Yes, it probably is a poor Arsenal side, considering how theyíve been in the past, but theyíre still a very good team

 


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