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Offline brontebilly

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10575 on: October 24, 2020, 01:18:17 PM »
Thing is we are light up top off the bench. If we need to chase a game our options are poor. If we need to shore up a game our options are pretty good.
agree, the question is how many times do you watch your full backs get overrun and how many chances do you let the opposition have before deciding to do something about it?
This was pre lockdown performance and game management.

Matt Cash must have been wondering the same. Smith standing yards away from him all second half and his change to correct the damage on the right side was to swap Trez for Traore. The mind boggles with him at times.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10576 on: October 24, 2020, 01:44:57 PM »
When it works it's great but we only seem to have/know one way of playing. 

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10577 on: October 24, 2020, 02:37:45 PM »
This is the thing with smith that will keep people disagreeing. He has one way of setting the team up and heís now got the right players for that approach hence our excellent last 4 games. But he wonít or canít vary tactics in game or change his approach based on the opposition and that means canny managers like Bielsa will make mugs of us.

Heís either single minded or inflexible depending on your take. Heís certainly not the only manager to have one approach.

The funny thing is I thought he had added pragmatism to his skills in the run in. We were winning games a different way. Maybe he has and last night just Ďone of those horrible onesí.


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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10578 on: October 24, 2020, 03:35:20 PM »
I wouldíve thought that was part of the reason Shakespeare was bought in.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10579 on: October 24, 2020, 03:50:05 PM »
We altered our tactics at Leicester on 20 minutes and were the better side for the remainder of the game.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10580 on: October 24, 2020, 04:26:41 PM »
We altered our tactics at Leicester on 20 minutes and were the better side for the remainder of the game.

Exactly.

Who was it who said that everything in football is complicated by the presence of the opposition? You can have a great plan, just sometimes the other guys have a better one. Or you both have a decent plan but one team manages to execute it better on the day. Or both. Or neither.

Sure Smith didn't have a good day yesterday, but that happens - Klopp had a pretty bad one against him not long ago, and as with the Merseyside derby we'll find out a lot about this Villa team by how they react against Southampton.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10581 on: October 24, 2020, 04:35:44 PM »
It might be hair splitting but Iíd say the changes Vs Leicester were adjustments to his way of playing not a real change in approach.

I donít disagree Monty. Sometimes itís just about the oppositionís strengths rather than anything you did wrong. Maybe the bench is just not good enough like Risso said. But you must admit the lack of adjustment during the game last night when the outcome looked predictable was notable, and consistent with smithís main perceived weakness.

Offline Monty

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10582 on: October 24, 2020, 04:49:29 PM »
It might be hair splitting but Iíd say the changes Vs Leicester were adjustments to his way of playing not a real change in approach.

I donít disagree Monty. Sometimes itís just about the oppositionís strengths rather than anything you did wrong. Maybe the bench is just not good enough like Risso said. But you must admit the lack of adjustment during the game last night when the outcome looked predictable was notable, and consistent with smithís main perceived weakness.

It was, for sure, but so was the high line conceding too many chances consistent with Klopp's, or Bielsa's failure to answer Nuno's changes on Monday, or Pep's team banging their heads against a brick wall today. Managers can only have the strengths and weaknesses that they do; the reason my opinion has changed on Smith is that his strengths appear much stronger this season than we've seen before, and that's with winning 10 in a row and a cup final thrown in.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10583 on: October 24, 2020, 05:15:05 PM »
Every team with the exception of Everton have had bad results this season. Last night was ours. Doesnít make our side bad or Dean Smith inept after starting 4 straight wins. It happens, he was out coached, our team was outplayed. What happens next week is most important and has Leeds found a weakness that will be exploited or will we adjust and beat Southampton?

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10584 on: October 25, 2020, 07:45:56 AM »
This.

Leeds is now in the past, just a bad day all around. Picking it apart isnít that helpful when the reality is that everyone was poor.

If this Villa team is different, and what we think they are, then they will show that next week.

Offline RamboandBruno

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10585 on: October 25, 2020, 08:17:02 AM »
Smith changed his tactics throughout last season, from his favoured 433, to 541 or 352, to try and combat our seeming slide towards relegation. He found a more defensive, pragmatic formula that worked post lockdown, where we relied more on set pieces for a lot of our goals. This season heís turned McGinn into a more deep lying midfielder and asked Trez and Grealish to support overlapping full backs.
The idea Smith sticks to one way of playing is just not accurate.
On Friday we could debate he should of done this or that, to change the shape here or there. He did hook Trez a lot earlier than normal, but honestly Iím not sure anyone on the bench for that game would of made a fat lot of difference. The obvious choice would be hourihane for Barklay, but I just donít see how that kind of speedy physical game, was a game for Connor.
Southampton play a similar way to Leeds so it will be interesting to see whether our game plan is flawed against this style of play or whether Friday was a one off.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10586 on: October 25, 2020, 08:44:05 AM »
This is by no means a criticism of Smith who I rate highly, but Leeds notoriously overload the fullbacks and we did very little to protect against that. I know it's hard to change a winning team, but felt 3-5-2 was the way to go. If not from the start then certainly as the game wore on and it became clear they had Targett and Cash exposed. Engels in for Trez and Grealish off Watkins. Would've been a very brave call though and obviously may not have worked.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10587 on: October 25, 2020, 09:35:54 AM »
Dean with really honest with his appraisal and with Shakespeare to assist with the continual improvement, I think he will learn from it and we will be fine this season.  Frustrating and brilliant in equal measure, but that's the habit of an emerging side, until we tip in to good and then make fewer bugger ups.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10588 on: October 25, 2020, 02:45:37 PM »
This is by no means a criticism of Smith who I rate highly, but Leeds notoriously overload the fullbacks and we did very little to protect against that. I know it's hard to change a winning team, but felt 3-5-2 was the way to go. If not from the start then certainly as the game wore on and it became clear they had Targett and Cash exposed. Engels in for Trez and Grealish off Watkins. Would've been a very brave call though and obviously may not have worked.
My thoughts as well.
Traore and Cash as wingbacks would be very powerful. My only concern is whether our third CB would be good enough: if we'd bought Tuanzebe or another mobile CB in the summer, I'd be promoting 3-5-2 rather harder than now.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10589 on: October 25, 2020, 03:19:14 PM »
This is by no means a criticism of Smith who I rate highly, but Leeds notoriously overload the fullbacks and we did very little to protect against that. I know it's hard to change a winning team, but felt 3-5-2 was the way to go. If not from the start then certainly as the game wore on and it became clear they had Targett and Cash exposed. Engels in for Trez and Grealish off Watkins. Would've been a very brave call though and obviously may not have worked.
My thoughts as well.
Traore and Cash as wingbacks would be very powerful. My only concern is whether our third CB would be good enough: if we'd bought Tuanzebe or another mobile CB in the summer, I'd be promoting 3-5-2 rather harder than now.

Impossible to say that Traore would be any use as a wing back I reckon, doesn't look like he's got much tackling in him.

 


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