Continuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time to
Quote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toIt's not just about the manager though, writing players off after half a season (or less) and calling for 7-8 new signings every summer and 3-4 every winter is a massive mistake, 2-3 signings in the summer and then the winter window becomes a chance to address problems but without specific plans to sign anyone.Even if players leave or managers are replaced you need some consistency in the approach, MON > Houllier > McLeish is the sort of scattergun thinking that creates problems and ditching Smith to bring in Allardyce (for example) would be repeating that. Have a style in mind and if the current manager isn't delivering it then replace him with someone who can move you in that direction, don't change direction.
Quote from: paul_e on February 26, 2020, 05:49:34 PMQuote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toIt's not just about the manager though, writing players off after half a season (or less) and calling for 7-8 new signings every summer and 3-4 every winter is a massive mistake, 2-3 signings in the summer and then the winter window becomes a chance to address problems but without specific plans to sign anyone.Even if players leave or managers are replaced you need some consistency in the approach, MON > Houllier > McLeish is the sort of scattergun thinking that creates problems and ditching Smith to bring in Allardyce (for example) would be repeating that. Have a style in mind and if the current manager isn't delivering it then replace him with someone who can move you in that direction, don't change direction.But is it the style that is wrong or the manager?
Under Bruce, McLeish and Lambert it was both.
In Heaton/Reina/Nyland, Mings, McGinn, Jack and potentially Samatta we have the spine of a good team. It’s just the most of the rest of them are average to poor, and they’re being badly coached.
As I've said before I think we have an inexperienced manager and an inexperienced squad and those 2 together make us incredibly naive.This season will be touch and go regardless of what we do from here but if we stay up and stick with everyone I think we'll be in a better place next season with just a handful of signings to replace people like Lansbury and Taylor who are 'senior' players but don't really offer anything.
The fatalism on here has reached new heights I see, we now have a squad that isn't even top half of the championship with Jack, Mings and McGinn. A couple more defeats and we'll be getting kicked straight into league 1 for being so shit.On topic, we'd need to replace Mings well and get a proper defensive midfielder but other than that I'd be ok with us going with players already at the club, Samatta and Wesley would be very good at that level, AEG has proven he's good there and I think Trez would do well. Then we've o'hare, vassilev, archer, ramsey and barry who would all get chance to play senior football and have shown glimpses of being very talented. We might lose Heaton and Reina but Steer, Nyland and Sarkic are all capable of being first choice in the championship.I think we'd be near the top all season and we'd have a lots of youngsters with a lot more experience by the time we came back. What we did wrong when were relegated last time was selling Benteke and Delph and trying to buy a new squad. What we did wrong the first season after relegation last time was try to buy a new squad. What we did wrong when we sacked RDM was take on a manager who approaches every window like a kid in a sweet shop. What we did wrong (with no alternative) this season was buy a new squad. Continuity matters and we've had none for 4 years, we need to fill gaps and adapt rather than tear down and replace, regardless of which league we're in next season.
Quote from: paul_e on February 26, 2020, 02:52:35 PMThe fatalism on here has reached new heights I see, we now have a squad that isn't even top half of the championship with Jack, Mings and McGinn. A couple more defeats and we'll be getting kicked straight into league 1 for being so shit.On topic, we'd need to replace Mings well and get a proper defensive midfielder but other than that I'd be ok with us going with players already at the club, Samatta and Wesley would be very good at that level, AEG has proven he's good there and I think Trez would do well. Then we've o'hare, vassilev, archer, ramsey and barry who would all get chance to play senior football and have shown glimpses of being very talented. We might lose Heaton and Reina but Steer, Nyland and Sarkic are all capable of being first choice in the championship.I think we'd be near the top all season and we'd have a lots of youngsters with a lot more experience by the time we came back. What we did wrong when were relegated last time was selling Benteke and Delph and trying to buy a new squad. What we did wrong the first season after relegation last time was try to buy a new squad. What we did wrong when we sacked RDM was take on a manager who approaches every window like a kid in a sweet shop. What we did wrong (with no alternative) this season was buy a new squad. Continuity matters and we've had none for 4 years, we need to fill gaps and adapt rather than tear down and replace, regardless of which league we're in next season.Bet you thought the same when we were relegated and signed the likes of McCormack and elphick yet we finished a embarrassing 13th.Its hard tk aay as we dont know who we would sign if we went down and who leaves. But certainly without mcgjnn grealish mings for me we will struggle badly without those three are the spine Any spine of a team that leaves makes you significantly weaker.I also add if we coildnt stay up with thsoe three what chance jn hell woukd we have if we came back again ?We have to do eveeything not to go down sk we can retain players like mcginn and mings. If we stay ul we can oush on and get rid of players like elmo Taylor trez and aeg who are not good enough at this level
My view is that continuity is brilliant if you’re sticking to the right path. If it’s the wrong path then you’re just creating a pipeline of problems. I don’t know what the answer is in respect of Dean and I’d love it if he could succeed, but my concern is we don’t look like we’re moving/getting better. Hopefully I’m just missing it and an upturn is round the corner.
The Relegation scenario has gone from Deny to Resist to Experiment, just a matter of time before we get to Change then?Relegation will be a disaster,.The heart will be ripped out of the team leaving the rest of a failed squad traumatized.how do we know that our owners will be so committed if they end up back at square one.I really don’t think we can assume they will “ go again”
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 26, 2020, 06:56:02 PMThe Relegation scenario has gone from Deny to Resist to Experiment, just a matter of time before we get to Change then?Relegation will be a disaster,.The heart will be ripped out of the team leaving the rest of a failed squad traumatized.how do we know that our owners will be so committed if they end up back at square one.I really don’t think we can assume they will “ go again”OK, I think I understand. You're chicken little?