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Author Topic: Dean Smith - Confirmed  (Read 467589 times)

Offline Luke8

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #6705 on: February 22, 2020, 11:57:27 PM »
For me, itís not that all these other sides have £40 million (or whatever arbitrary figure people wan to use) players, itís that none of them had to rebuild pretty much their entire squad from a position of being the worst promoted team the previous season.
It's not really about the spend or about the rebuilding, it's that we took the wrong approach to it.  Rather than mixing it up with some experienced older heads and some promising youngsters we bought a load of players with almost no experience of the Premier League, or in some cases English football at any level.  That was a colossal mistake.  Plus expecting one of those untested players to be the focal point of our attack, with only a has been and a perma-crocked kid as back up.  Add to that a manager as inexperienced at this level as his players and it's easy to see why things have gone badly all season.  When we eventually did sign someone with experience we chose Drinkwater.

The problem isn't that we had to rebuild but that we did it really badly.

I get what you are saying but personally think we need to reserve judgement until the end of the season and obviously whether we stay up or not.

The recruitment strategy was clearly a bit of a risk, and currently that is looking a bit iffy, but decent players with premier league experience come at a massive premium so I think it was understandable at the time.

I think there are enough good players there that if we can find the right combination and system we to get the best out of them we will have enough to stay up still.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #6706 on: February 23, 2020, 12:00:08 AM »
Nearly £40m on Nakamba, Wesley and Trezeguet. Whoever made that call needs sacking just for that. They look/looked worth about a quarter of the price.

You realize though thatís the price of one decent player at this level. We simply couldnít spend as much as we really needed to buy the required quality given how many players we needed

How many £40m players have Burnley got. Or Southampton?  Most teams outside of the top 6 donít spend anything like that.

I get all that. But the sides you mentioned have all had the core of their squad together for a while. That includes Sheff Utd. Burnley and Southampton also have players who have played at this level for a while. Look, Iím the last person on here making an excuse for our lot and especially the manager. But clearly we had to fill a squad quickly and with a lot of players and we got a number of the them wrong. That or as we saw when we signed the likes of Ayew, Gana, Traore etc, they are much better over time as they improve and become more experienced at the top level. A number of our players like back then donít look up to scratch today. Doesnít mean it is guaranteed to stay that way. And that might even include the manager.

But right now all of them look a fucking million miles from being up to this standard. And as for Sheff Utd, theyíve not only got the benefit of that cohesiveness but they have a manager who is a thousand times better than Dean Smith is today. Itís not even close.

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« Reply #6707 on: February 23, 2020, 12:00:54 AM »
At least Steve Bruce had a Plan A.

Nothing can ever get so bad to justify a sentence that begins, "at least Steve Bruce..."
I was there mate, it was.

Offline Luke8

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« Reply #6708 on: February 23, 2020, 12:02:17 AM »
Unfortunately, if we entertained any serious ambition about staying up, he should've gone before Christmas. I was probably fooled by the wins over Burnley and Leicester to think that maybe he could do it, but some of the mind-boggling signings in January were just absurd

As a fan, he has been given so much leeway which we just cannot afford.


Yet our form over the last ten games, compared to the bottom eight, is better than Newcastle, West Ham, Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth and as good as Palace.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #6709 on: February 23, 2020, 12:05:52 AM »
At least Steve Bruce had a Plan A.

Nothing can ever get so bad to justify a sentence that begins, "at least Steve Bruce..."

At least Steve Bruce isn't our manager.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #6710 on: February 23, 2020, 12:08:21 AM »
The recruitment strategy was clearly a bit of a risk, and currently that is looking a bit iffy, but decent players with premier league experience come at a massive premium so I think it was understandable at the time.
I just don't accept that we recruited the way we did because no other way was possible.  Just as I don't accept that making good signings in January is impossible.  It's not easy, sure, but neither  is it impossible.  We've got to get a lot lot better at this sort of stuff.

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« Reply #6711 on: February 23, 2020, 12:14:34 AM »
At least Steve Bruce had a Plan A.

Nothing can ever get so bad to justify a sentence that begins, "at least Steve Bruce..."

At least Steve Bruce isn't our manager.

Ok, you win.

Offline OzVilla

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« Reply #6712 on: February 23, 2020, 12:35:24 AM »
Our chance for a change was post Watford at Christmas. We missed that opportunity and went all in with Smith.

He can say what he likes after games, bang tables etc but this is his team, his formation, his line up, his organisation, his game management. Itís been poor from the off and I, like many, thought weíd improve. Weíve not despite recently having opportunities to kick on. Instead weíve gone into a death spiral.

This is on Smith.

Offline Demitri_C

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« Reply #6713 on: February 23, 2020, 12:41:47 AM »
Bruces football was shit but i dont care what anyone says he had us better defssbovely than smith has.

Smith has to be one of the worst managers for defensive mistakes i have seen for us. We are so woeful at the back its unreal

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« Reply #6714 on: February 23, 2020, 12:45:37 AM »
Bruces football was shit but i dont care what anyone says he had us better defssbovely than smith has.

Smith has to be one of the worst managers for defensive mistakes i have seen for us. We are so woeful at the back its unreal


Not sure that you're in the best position to be calling out mistakes, mate.

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« Reply #6715 on: February 23, 2020, 12:48:22 AM »
We can take the piss all we like out of Bruce but heís mid table and 6 points better off with an inferior squad to ours imo.

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« Reply #6716 on: February 23, 2020, 12:51:23 AM »
We can take the piss all we like out of Bruce but heís mid table and 6 points better off with an inferior squad to ours imo.

He had an inferior squad a year ago and needed Dean Smith to come in and get them playing.

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« Reply #6717 on: February 23, 2020, 01:00:13 AM »
And next season his woeful squad will be playing PL football while we go back to square one in the Championship.

Too late for Smith to be throwing them under the bus now. I think we have the quality to stay up comfortably and a better manager would have achieved that.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #6718 on: February 23, 2020, 01:03:52 AM »
Newcastle are shit, Steve Bruce is shit, that they've jammed some bizarre results doesn't alter that and on no planet would I swap Smith for him. And I say that as someone who isn't convinced Smith is good enough to be a top flight manager.

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« Reply #6719 on: February 23, 2020, 01:07:14 AM »
Newcastle are shit, Steve Bruce is shit, that they've jammed some bizarre results doesn't alter that and on no planet would I swap Smith for him. And I say that as someone who isn't convinced Smith is good enough to be a top flight manager.

I agree but Smith has performed worse and with a far better squad. Maybe we can all nip across and tell the Jawdees how jammy they are when theyíll be playing Chelsea next season while weíll be going to Boro.