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Offline Mister E

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14580 on: September 27, 2021, 12:29:49 PM »
We are far more direct without Joe, he always slowed the movement down, yes he was brilliant for us but we were brilliant for him. I watch the side he plays for now and wonder is he really happy playing chess?
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We are playing a much different style of football. Playing more for set pieces, physically stronger too. Bit like MONs teams in recent games.
How can you assert that we're playing for more set pieces when the "King o the Collapse" has departed for medals?! - don't follow your logic at all, particularly when our game is now characterised by continuity (keeping the ball moving).

And the reference to MON is strange too: firstly, because we're not playing players out of position (i.e. at right back) and secondly because MON teams were happy to sit deep for large parts of the game. Our current team is well-balanced and on the front foot.
I don't recall us trying a single long throw under Smith before this season...We are also trying a lot more long diagonal punts into the box at set pieces, not just corners, like we did v Everton with Konsa nodding back a clever one that Ings put just wide. I don't see anything wrong with this...playing to our new strengths if we have 3 CBs on.
Extra man in midfield now means the likes of Luiz and McGinn have a bit more freedom and not as worried about getting caught on the ball like they were when playing in a two. Playing with 4231 was designed really to get the best out of Grealish and Watkins but others like Luiz and McGinn struggled the longer it went on. In summary, I think there are significant changes in our style of play this season.
Yes, get all that. Just not the comment about playing for more set pieces and the comparison with MON.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14581 on: September 27, 2021, 12:30:01 PM »
He strikes me as a man that where others see a setback, he's sees an opportunity.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14582 on: September 27, 2021, 12:51:27 PM »
He’s proving a lot of people wrong. Myself included. He had to do this without Jack Grealish. Nobody here gives a flying fuck about him now. And Dean Smith is becoming a better manager for it. We are starting to see a settled system, coaching emerging in terms of a plan on how to play and certainly how to attack and defend set pieces including throw ins. But we now have players who can legitimately change games and allow us when needed to play different ways. That’s critical if we want to push on.
This is it. This is absolutely it. We don't look like a side that particularly misses him. Arguably we're better for his absence. Something unthinkable 6 months ago.

Seem to recall last year Adrian Durham claimed that Joe held us back and got ridiculed for it.

As much as I think Durham is an odious little man, he may actually have had a point

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14583 on: September 27, 2021, 07:49:32 PM »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14584 on: September 27, 2021, 08:29:52 PM »
Great stuff - you can see that coming through in the squad attitude.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14585 on: September 27, 2021, 09:23:35 PM »
Compare and contrast: Dean Smith's Aston Villa with Nuno's Spurs. One is focused, clear about how he wants his team to set up and play, and the other is Nuno. I hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the arse this weekend.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14586 on: September 27, 2021, 09:43:59 PM »
He’s proving a lot of people wrong. Myself included. He had to do this without Jack Grealish. Nobody here gives a flying fuck about him now. And Dean Smith is becoming a better manager for it. We are starting to see a settled system, coaching emerging in terms of a plan on how to play and certainly how to attack and defend set pieces including throw ins. But we now have players who can legitimately change games and allow us when needed to play different ways. That’s critical if we want to push on.
This is it. This is absolutely it. We don't look like a side that particularly misses him. Arguably we're better for his absence. Something unthinkable 6 months ago.

Seem to recall last year Adrian Durham claimed that Joe held us back and got ridiculed for it.

As much as I think Durham is an odious little man, he may actually have had a point
Hes doing great, every time questions start to get asks, he proves people wrong.  Everyone at the club seems insync with what we doing, and its just brilliant to see.  Joe was amazing, but it certainly feels like we've moved on, and in a really good place - UTV

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14587 on: September 27, 2021, 10:18:39 PM »
Compare and contrast: Dean Smith's Aston Villa with Nuno's Spurs. One is focused, clear about how he wants his team to set up and play, and the other is Nuno. I hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the arse this weekend.

I hope the charitable Villa is a thing of the past.  There was a time when an opponent centre forward hadn't scored for months, step forward Villa and, bingo!  I hope we take the game to Spurs this weekend and go into the break in a really good position.  Get Sanson and Bailey fit after the international break.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14588 on: September 28, 2021, 12:24:47 AM »
I was just listening to the Guardian Football Weekly podcast. Jordan Jarrett-Bryan, who I understand is a TalkSport presenter, was offered the opportunity to step back from his criticism of Dean Smith from the start of last season (when I think he basically said that he isn’t a good enough manager) in the light of mounting evidence, including Saturday’s result. Whilst complimentary about the performance he said ‘I’m just upset that these good times are happening to that set of supporters.’, ‘I like Aston Villa, it’s just the fans’, and ‘I’m not anti Aston Villa it’s just the supporters’. When challenged that ‘every club has these fans’ he said ‘they have more than most’.

I’ve largely stopped listening to this podcast since AC Jimbo left, but vaguely remember his criticism from last season, and had just filed it as a lazy opinion from someone with no awareness of football beyond the scab six. I don’t understand why he would compound it now though with sweeping generalisations about our fan base.

I don’t know anything about him, whether his dislike for Villa fans predates last season, or if this is just how TalkSport presenters operate? I was critical of Leeds fans for the Karen Carney pile-on, so hope he hasn’t experienced something similar. 

Anyway, as an Aston Villa supporter I was triggered, which I suppose was probably the intention.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14589 on: September 28, 2021, 01:20:00 AM »
He’s an Arsenal fan bleating about odious, self-entitled fans so clearly not familiar with irony…

He’s also a TalkSport employee so has to play the tiresome controversy card in a desperate bid for attention. The Guardian podcast is generally very good (when’s he’s not on it) he got some stick last season when belittling Villa only for us to trounce his team twice and now he can't walk it back, he's playing up to it for laughs I suspect.
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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14590 on: September 28, 2021, 06:24:53 AM »
I was just listening to the Guardian Football Weekly podcast. Jordan Jarrett-Bryan, who I understand is a TalkSport presenter, was offered the opportunity to step back from his criticism of Dean Smith from the start of last season (when I think he basically said that he isn’t a good enough manager) in the light of mounting evidence, including Saturday’s result. Whilst complimentary about the performance he said ‘I’m just upset that these good times are happening to that set of supporters.’, ‘I like Aston Villa, it’s just the fans’, and ‘I’m not anti Aston Villa it’s just the supporters’. When challenged that ‘every club has these fans’ he said ‘they have more than most’.

I love this, we beat his team every time we play them, took their best player and unsettled there wonderkid to the point were by they had to throw a shit load more money at him, of course he doesn't like us.

Long gone are the days when these people can give us condescending plaudits as they brush us aside season after season.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14591 on: September 28, 2021, 08:11:14 AM »
I've been reflecting on the close-season. After last season, what were the big challenges that Deano faced? - 1. an over-reliance on one player, who - when absent - left a gaping hole in our team; 2. an inflexible formation that had become too predictable; 3. poor outcomes from set pieces; 4. a stale coaching team; 5. players being played to their strength.
Despite the perhaps-unexpected departure of our Big Player and the disruption of the pre-season plans, it seems clear that there has been a real focus on addressing the shortcomings (point 4 above is perhaps evidenced by the post above that gave us this link https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1442531907099635716).
Point 5 above refers to Cash's improved right-wing exploits, SJG and Luiz being used more effectively (negating the need to being in a specialist DMF) and the existence in the squad of 4 CB that can play in different systems effectively.

I may be crediting Smith, Lange and Purslow with too much, but it does seem to me that they did an in-depth review of a successful second season and have now addressed several significant improvement areas.

It's pretty impressive if viewed as I've outlined it.
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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14592 on: September 28, 2021, 08:54:00 AM »
I've been reflecting on the close-season. After last season, what were the big challenges that Deano faced? - 1. an over-reliance on one player, who - when absent - left a gaping hole in our team; 2. an inflexible formation that had become too predictable; 3. poor outcomes from set pieces; 4. a stale coaching team; 5. players being played to their strength.
Despite the perhaps-unexpected departure of our Big Player and the disruption of the pre-season plans, it seems clear that there has been a real focus on addressing the shortcomings (point 4 above is perhaps evidenced by the post above that gave us this link https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1442531907099635716).
Point 5 above refers to Cash's improved right-wing exploits, SJG and Luiz being used more effectively (negating the need to being in a specialist DMF) and the existence in the squad of 4 CB that can play in different systems effectively.

I may be crediting Smith, Lange and Purslow with too much, but it does seem to me that they did an in-depth review of a successful second season and have now addressed several significant improvement areas.

It's pretty impressive if viewed as I've outlined it.

Also see the work on the defence after Project Restart and into the following season.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14593 on: September 28, 2021, 01:30:26 PM »
If he maintains what he's doing, he'll start being linked with other jobs. But there's only one I think he'd leave us for, and even then, he wouldn't go without winning something first.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #14594 on: September 28, 2021, 02:54:12 PM »
Sometimes I like to stop and look at how far we've come with Dean in charge, in what is still a relatively short time.

He's been here less than three years, but in the second half on Saturday we took off a £20m England striker and replaced him with a £30m Argentinian attacking midfielder (while leaving another £30m England striker on the pitch). We also replaced one 20-year old youth product with another 19-year-old youth product from the bench.  And we did all this on our way to deservedly winning three points at Old Trafford.

If you'd told me that such a thing was coming in October 2018 I'd have thought you were bonkers. I'd have hoped you were right, but I wouldn't have believed it was possible - not after the decade we'd just endured.

We might lose at Spurs, and see plenty of the positivity we're currently enjoying seep away, but it's always nice to step back from the match-to-match obsession (which we're all guilty of) and look at our journey so far - because it's been a bloody good one.

Who knows what we'll be looking back on in another three years?

 


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