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Offline KevinGage

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2020, 06:14:26 PM »
This Guardian piece which has been linked on the main match thread takes a similar line to Meanwood, though they take a more extreme view than Meanwood and their comparison with the film "Parasite" is inappropriate. The basic theme is contained in the title: that Villa will never belong at the top table.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/mar/01/aston-villa-take-seat-at-top-table-but-leave-with-worry-theyll-never-belong

Funny, I read that yesterday and thought the guy displayed a distinct lack of football knowledge.

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2020, 06:24:30 PM »
Maybe whatís changed is the concerted effort those the top table have made to keep it for themselves.

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2020, 06:31:12 PM »
Yep that decade or so period when only Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U qualified for the Champions League did immeasurable damage. The only teams to challenge that hegemony are Spurs, and itís taken them 20 years of Levyís penny pinching/wise investment (you decide) to get there but with no trophies, and Citeh by dint of cheating. To dine at that top table is possible, Iíd like to think weíre well placed to have a crack but it wonít be solved within a couple of years, FFP sees to that.

Offline Villan82

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2020, 07:57:38 PM »
If we stay up and keep that team together I think they can grow, with 3 or 4 quality additions, into a team that can win a trophy.

Offline Flamingo Lane

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2020, 08:13:51 PM »
These things are cyclical.  Looking at the last 16 in the Europa League I'd venture to suggest that Wolves have as good a chance as any of winning it.

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2020, 09:20:03 PM »
In the same way the likes of Lance Armstrong got stripped of all his titles for cheating will Man City lose all theirs?

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM »
Domestic cup wins by decade:

2010-2019

Man City 6
Chelsea 4
Arsenal 3
Man U 3
Blues, Liverpool, Swansea, Wigan 1 each.

8 different teams in total

2000-2009

Chelsea 5
Liverpool 4
Arsenal 3
Man U 3
Blackburn, Leicester, Boro, Pompey, Spurs 1 each

9 different teams in total

1990-1999

Man U 5
Arsenal 3
Us, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs 2 each
Everton, Leicester, Forest, Sheff Wed 1 each

10 different teams in total

1980-1989

Liverpool 6
Man U, Spurs 2 each
Arsenal, Coventry, Everton, Luton, Norwich, Forest, Oxford, West Ham, Wimbledon, Wolves 1 each.


13 different teams in total

1970-1979

Arsenal, us, Man City, Forest, Spurs 2 each
Chelsea, Ipswich, Leeds, Liverpool, Man U, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, West Ham, Wolves 1 each

15 different teams in total

1960-1969 (only 19 trophies as no League Cup in 1960)

Tottenham 3
Albion 2
Us, Blues, Chelsea, Everton, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, Man U, Norwich, QPR, Swindon, West Ham, Wolves 1 each

16 different teams in total

It's no surprise that the number of clubs winning trophies is getting smaller and "things ain't what they used to be" has been done to death on here but I think the above really brings home how so many more clubs had their day in the sun in the past as opposed to now.

I really enjoyed yesterday despite the defeat, it felt like what we should be doing every year. I think this is something worth remembering with every cup exit that is shrugged off with "the league is more important". We've only got two shots at a cup each year, let's make sure we put everything into trying to win them no matter how hard it seems.




I'm sure I remember reading something about the Villa winning something or other in the 80s. Wink.

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2020, 11:22:12 PM »

I'm sure I remember reading something about the Villa winning something or other in the 80s. Wink.

Not the FAC or LC though.

Domestic cup wins by decade:


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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2020, 11:29:35 PM »

I'm sure I remember reading something about the Villa winning something or other in the 80s. Wink.

Not the FAC or LC though.

Domestic cup wins by decade:


That'll teach me to be a smartarse.

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2020, 12:38:06 AM »
We messed up badly in 2013. That would've been our best chance since 90s given Swansea were a good side but we took 4 points off them in the league that season (somehow got a 2-2 down there on NYD 2013 when we were on that horrible run of defeats) and our front 3 started clicking from end of January.

We have been unlucky with the opposition but again it would be nice to have one performance where we play out of our skins just like some of the small teams who've won trophies in last decade have done...

I think we'll win something within next 10 years. Given how bad we've been since the start of 2010 we've still had three chances to win a final so we'll get more if we keep plugging away and actually get in proven players for the starting 11 eventually.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2020, 12:47:04 AM »
We messed up badly in 2013. That would've been our best chance since 90s given Swansea were a good side but we took 4 points off them in the league that season (somehow got a 2-2 down there on NYD 2013 when we were on that horrible run of defeats) and our front 3 started clicking from end of January.


Yep, we were just coming into a bit of form at the time of the LC final in 2013 and I think we would have beaten Swansea.  The semi-final against Bradford was a real low in a decade of disappointment.

Winning the first Premier League season, the last FA Cup final at the old Wembley and the League Cup in 2013 are probably the things I would change most during my time watching the Villa.

Offline Luke8

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Re: Winning honours
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2020, 09:12:58 AM »

I think we'll win something within next 10 years. Given how bad we've been since the start of 2010 we've still had three chances to win a final so we'll get more if we keep plugging away and actually get in proven players for the starting 11 eventually.




I agree with this, although Iíll admit I do tend to fall on the optimistic side of the scales.

Like you say, Soccer, itís hardly been a vintage ten years but three domestic finals is as many as Liverpool in that same time period (in fact only four teams have more). Throw in a couple of semi-finals too and we have certainly had enough opportunities to make me believe that itís eminently possibly that we wonít go that long with winning something.


 


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