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Author Topic: John McGinn - signed  (Read 175847 times)

Offline chrisw1

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1815 on: February 24, 2020, 09:59:59 AM »
Heís not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.

Offline Demitri_C

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1816 on: February 24, 2020, 10:21:50 AM »
Heís not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there

Offline chrisw1

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1817 on: February 24, 2020, 10:36:12 AM »
Heís not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.

Offline Demitri_C

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1818 on: February 24, 2020, 11:09:21 AM »
Heís not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.

Width is over rated.   Conor can drift in and out on the left as well. Targett and guikbert like to get forward so you have width.

Our width is absolutely non existent anyway

Online LukeJames

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1819 on: February 24, 2020, 11:23:30 AM »
Its interesting that in a post about McGinn you talk about us having no width, yet 2 of his 3 goals this season have come directly from width.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1820 on: February 24, 2020, 11:29:32 AM »
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well Iíve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.

Offline Mister E

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1821 on: February 24, 2020, 11:37:23 AM »
Heís not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.
Yep. 3 at the back is supposed to work on the basis of highly- energetic wingbacks providing the width whilst the 3 in the middle compact the centre of the park.

Offline Risso

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1822 on: February 24, 2020, 12:48:26 PM »
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well Iíve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.

Slim pickings though really.  He's been hugely disappointing.

Offline SamTheMouse

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1823 on: February 24, 2020, 01:00:37 PM »
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.

Offline chrisw1

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1824 on: February 24, 2020, 01:04:28 PM »
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

Offline LeeB

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1825 on: February 24, 2020, 01:55:20 PM »
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.

It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.

Offline Luke8

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1826 on: February 24, 2020, 02:14:04 PM »
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.

It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.

I think that would require a change back to three central midfielders though. I donít think Hourihane gets around the pitch enough and games bypass him too much to play as one of two midfielders.

Offline Demitri_C

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1827 on: February 24, 2020, 02:24:17 PM »
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well Iíve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.


Name 5 other games where has been brilliant for us? Or even name 3 games where was excellent for the whole game? He has been a terriblw signing for me. The goals dont hide the fact he has been a massive disappointment

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1828 on: February 24, 2020, 02:31:31 PM »
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have attacking full backs, Or full backs providing width is bollocks.

Offline Mister E

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #1829 on: February 24, 2020, 02:39:16 PM »
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have attacking full backs.
No - of course you don't need to have 3 at the back to have attacking full backs; you can play a back four and have attacking fullbacks, as long as someone in midfield or wide is covering for them when they are on the rampage down the wing. Earlier in the season, we found that AEG and - to a much larger extent - Trez were not covering very well.

The idea that you need 3 at the back to have full backs providing width is bollocks.
The point is that if you have 3 at the back it gives more scope for attacking fullbacks; which means that it is more sensible to play 3 in the middle.

Liverpool do it very well, with AA and Robertson. SheffU do it pretty well with Baldock and our very own Enda Stevens.