MON definitely was the right man at that time. True, he didn’t get a higher finish than O’Leary but he did manage to maintain the 6th place finish for 3 consecutive seasons, which I can’t recall us doing in my lifetime ( and I ain’t young). If he’d left at the end of the 2009-10 season most of these occasional debates would not be appearing on here. The problem was that his style was never going to feature the players with stardust in their boots who win big games with the moments of brilliance to haul a team into the top 4.
Quote from: Pat McMahon on July 17, 2019, 10:43:42 PMMON definitely was the right man at that time. True, he didn’t get a higher finish than O’Leary but he did manage to maintain the 6th place finish for 3 consecutive seasons, which I can’t recall us doing in my lifetime ( and I ain’t young). If he’d left at the end of the 2009-10 season most of these occasional debates would not be appearing on here. The problem was that his style was never going to feature the players with stardust in their boots who win big games with the moments of brilliance to haul a team into the top 4.Absolutely the right man at the right time and his appointment was a massive boost at the time ranking alongside the appointments of SGT and BFR, who were also badly needed morale boosts at the time of their appointments. I enjoyed the MON years and think he qualifies as a success based on his league finishes and cup runs. I would like to think the timing of his exit was because the club called his bluff rather than premeditated sabotage but what was inexcusable was the tailspin the club went into in the following years under Lerner.
Martin O'Neill was a failure at Villa, and history has shown him to be every bit as talented a con man as the worst of our managers over the past few years - I can't believe there are still Villa fans who would describe his tenure as a success. Baffling.
He was good enough for sixth - which was a fuck of a lot better than we were aiming for when he came in - but he was never a top level manager and despite having everything going for him, he couldn't make it to that level.
Quote from: Monty on July 17, 2019, 11:42:29 PMHe was good enough for sixth - which was a fuck of a lot better than we were aiming for when he came in - but he was never a top level manager and despite having everything going for him, he couldn't make it to that level. Yep. He was the best we were going to get given the lack of imagination above him. Their biggest failure of imagination was the failure to imagine that he had the power to fuck us on a whim, and then to acquiesce to that possibility by not fucking well imagining it.
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 11:30:25 PMQuote from: Pat McMahon on July 17, 2019, 10:43:42 PMMON definitely was the right man at that time. True, he didn’t get a higher finish than O’Leary but he did manage to maintain the 6th place finish for 3 consecutive seasons, which I can’t recall us doing in my lifetime ( and I ain’t young). If he’d left at the end of the 2009-10 season most of these occasional debates would not be appearing on here. The problem was that his style was never going to feature the players with stardust in their boots who win big games with the moments of brilliance to haul a team into the top 4.Absolutely the right man at the right time and his appointment was a massive boost at the time ranking alongside the appointments of SGT and BFR, who were also badly needed morale boosts at the time of their appointments. I enjoyed the MON years and think he qualifies as a success based on his league finishes and cup runs. I would like to think the timing of his exit was because the club called his bluff rather than premeditated sabotage but what was inexcusable was the tailspin the club went into in the following years under Lerner.I endorse this message.
Football regularly evolves and the best managers are able to adapt and move with the times, Ferguson being the best example, but many don’t. I think if Lerner and MON had taken over a couple of years earlier then things might have been different but by the end of his time he struggled to adapt and his subsequent career shows that he is unsuited to the way the game currently is.