NSWE Investment

[pauliewalnuts]

Not condoning the rules but the sooner we become sustainable the better.

Currently we are at the mercy of others clubs in each transfer window and reliant on NSWE funding us to grow.  If they lose interest, which they might, theres a risk we will sink. 

We’ve made great strides recently, and I dont think we are a million miles away as long as we control our spending over the next few windows.

I don’t think it’s going to be a problem becoming sustainable.

The problem would be what would be left when we’d done so. Worse players, basically.

With the current system of financial controls we are never going to be able to breach the ‘big six’ with any permanence.

Nor will Newcastle Everton West Ham or any other ambitious club.

[algy]

Not condoning the rules but the sooner we become sustainable the better.

Currently we are at the mercy of others clubs in each transfer window and reliant on NSWE funding us to grow.  If they lose interest, which they might, theres a risk we will sink. 

We’ve made great strides recently, and I dont think we are a million miles away as long as we control our spending over the next few windows.

I don’t think it’s going to be a problem becoming sustainable.

The problem would be what would be left when we’d done so. Worse players, basically.

With the current system of financial controls we are never going to be able to breach the ‘big six’ with any permanence.

Nor will Newcastle Everton West Ham or any other ambitious club.

I think this is a pessimistic view of where we are currently.

If it were any club other than us, there's no way we'd be saying that spending 90%+ of your revenue on wages is in any way sustainable.  It just isn't, it's a ludicrous way to operate a football club.  We've simply reached the highest height we can with the approach we've been taking basically since we came up, which is to max out what we can spend within the FFP/PSR limits.  It's taken us in to Europe, but realistically we can't get any further with that approach.  That's not to say we've done badly in that regard ... we've risen from being in a shit state of affairs in the Championship, in to being Champions League contenders in a very short space of time, with only really the Gerrard season as being anything like a mistake in that time.

We're going to have to shift our focus to something closer to what Brentford or Brighton do - but on a bigger, better scale.  Buy promising players, make them good, but be under far less pressure to sell them than a Brentford or Brighton would be.  That's just the approach we're going to have to take if we want to break in to that upper echelon and stay there.  Once we have the commercial income that wages cease to be an issue, we can go back to a situation where we bring in players who are closer to their peak.

[Hookeysmith]

With the current system of financial controls we are never going to be able to breach the ‘big six’ with any permanence.

Nor will Newcastle Everton West Ham or any other ambitious club.

In a nutshell - it is a complete cartel and the scum 6 and media do not want anyone else in it.

*The Premier league live in fear of another breakaway and the "product" lost
*The media deliberately destabilising teams that are trying to challenge - Isak, Morgan Gibbs White, at least 5 of our first team all who had to be sold due to our money worries.
*FA / VAR / PGMOL all lean towards decisions that benefit the 6 if a decision is close - they will get it.

Its a rigged deck - the worry is if NSWE think the same and decide not to bother

[Beard82]

Not condoning the rules but the sooner we become sustainable the better.

Currently we are at the mercy of others clubs in each transfer window and reliant on NSWE funding us to grow.  If they lose interest, which they might, theres a risk we will sink. 

We’ve made great strides recently, and I dont think we are a million miles away as long as we control our spending over the next few windows.

I don’t think it’s going to be a problem becoming sustainable.

The problem would be what would be left when we’d done so. Worse players, basically.

With the current system of financial controls we are never going to be able to breach the ‘big six’ with any permanence.

Nor will Newcastle Everton West Ham or any other ambitious club.

I think this is a pessimistic view of where we are currently.

If it were any club other than us, there's no way we'd be saying that spending 90%+ of your revenue on wages is in any way sustainable.  It just isn't, it's a ludicrous way to operate a football club.  We've simply reached the highest height we can with the approach we've been taking basically since we came up, which is to max out what we can spend within the FFP/PSR limits.  It's taken us in to Europe, but realistically we can't get any further with that approach.  That's not to say we've done badly in that regard ... we've risen from being in a shit state of affairs in the Championship, in to being Champions League contenders in a very short space of time, with only really the Gerrard season as being anything like a mistake in that time.

We're going to have to shift our focus to something closer to what Brentford or Brighton do - but on a bigger, better scale.  Buy promising players, make them good, but be under far less pressure to sell them than a Brentford or Brighton would be.  That's just the approach we're going to have to take if we want to break in to that upper echelon and stay there.  Once we have the commercial income that wages cease to be an issue, we can go back to a situation where we bring in players who are closer to their peak.

I dont think that is possible.  Birghton and Brentford have never reached the highs we have because of there approach.  Chelsea and Man City both operated at over 100% wages to revenue dueing the period while they estibalished themselfs in the elite.

I dont think its possible to be a top 4 team consitently with the brighton model.  I think basically - the only way you can do it is by having coaching, recruitment and commerical teams who are able to consiently produce results greater than the sum of the parts, and for that to happen for probably 3 - 5 seasons. 

I think that is the model that NWSE are pursuing.   We're not far off getting it right, but we have made a few misteps (Gerrard, maybe recent recuritment) and we just cant afford to make those mistakes due to the rules.  We have acted quickly, and is probably why I would imagine Monchi left - i.e. they were very happy with him but all parties agreed a new approach was needed as we hadnt achieved excellence.

Its pretty impossible - but I dont think the odds will bother them.  The other option they have got is to challange the rules as I cant see they hold any valid legal basis and are anti-competitive in nature.

[pauliewalnuts]

Not condoning the rules but the sooner we become sustainable the better.

Currently we are at the mercy of others clubs in each transfer window and reliant on NSWE funding us to grow.  If they lose interest, which they might, theres a risk we will sink. 

We’ve made great strides recently, and I dont think we are a million miles away as long as we control our spending over the next few windows.

I don’t think it’s going to be a problem becoming sustainable.

The problem would be what would be left when we’d done so. Worse players, basically.

With the current system of financial controls we are never going to be able to breach the ‘big six’ with any permanence.

Nor will Newcastle Everton West Ham or any other ambitious club.

I think this is a pessimistic view of where we are currently.

If it were any club other than us, there's no way we'd be saying that spending 90%+ of your revenue on wages is in any way sustainable.  It just isn't, it's a ludicrous way to operate a football club.  We've simply reached the highest height we can with the approach we've been taking basically since we came up, which is to max out what we can spend within the FFP/PSR limits.  It's taken us in to Europe, but realistically we can't get any further with that approach.  That's not to say we've done badly in that regard ... we've risen from being in a shit state of affairs in the Championship, in to being Champions League contenders in a very short space of time, with only really the Gerrard season as being anything like a mistake in that time.

We're going to have to shift our focus to something closer to what Brentford or Brighton do - but on a bigger, better scale.  Buy promising players, make them good, but be under far less pressure to sell them than a Brentford or Brighton would be.  That's just the approach we're going to have to take if we want to break in to that upper echelon and stay there.  Once we have the commercial income that wages cease to be an issue, we can go back to a situation where we bring in players who are closer to their peak.

In the first paragraph you’ve effectively made the same point as me.

I wasn’t suggesting the current situation is sustainable, just that the clear route to sustainability is there - it’s just going to mean worse / cheaper players.

I like the Brighton and Brentford route but it is basically accepting that they’re a selling club - they sell to survive. That is a sentiment that wouldn’t be acceptable for us as fans of a bigger club.

Also, particularly in the case of Brentford, as soon as you stop finding Caicedo or Watkins or MacAllister players to sell, you’re in trouble.

[Toronto Villa]

The current system is creating a farm system to the bigger clubs. Clubs like Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford, while their scouting is to be admired, is a training ground for their players to take the next step to one of the larger clubs. The challenge is to keep hold of them and contunue to compete. It's great to see what Southampton did in the past, or Bournemouth now changing out essentially an entire defence and still operating very well. But aside from the odd European campaign which they might sneak into as Brighton did, they will always bob along in a solid mid table spot. And while their fans won't openly admit it, that's good going for them to finish 8th-12th with no danger of relegation, and bringing in very good PL revenues. That 's not who we are or who we aspire to be. We don't want to be a feeder club to Chelsea but that's what the rules are forcing us to become. Get cheaper players, accept our place 7th-10th, maybe 5th or 6th if everything aligns and we have an excellent manager to win in the margins. But as has been said above, finding those gems isn't easy and when it stops, and the deals don't pay off we are left with sub standard players who won't get us to that next level.

[Drummond]

Those clubs can afford to play those developing players with less expectation, do that with us and unless they hit the ground running, as Rogers did, supporters will be calling them shit and that they aren't ready yet.