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Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6105 on: October 13, 2024, 04:57:58 PM »
That University campus as you come in on the train from London didn’t exist until about ten years ago so space can be found.  I also think the development would be more than just a stadium. Comcast would want it to regenerate a whole area like around Wembley.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6106 on: October 13, 2024, 04:59:22 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.



« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 05:09:21 PM by Accent Guy »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6107 on: October 13, 2024, 05:59:44 PM »
The issue with the poll is that of the two leading candidates so far, one is doable and the other isn't. The North Stand is our property and whilst it poses logistical  problems, it's at least viable.

Building a new stadium in the city centre absolutely isn't and it will never happen. For a multitude of reasons.
I disagree that the new stadium option "will never happen".

A new stadium in the city centre? Where? Birmingham has a tiny city centre and that is taken up by retail outlets and expensive real estate. The cost, if you could even get planning permission, to build in the centre would be astronomical and totally unviable financially.

I doubt we will ever move from Villa Park but it's certainly possible. However, if we do move one day, it won't be to the city centre. There's just no space, never mind "cost efficient" space.

Got to say Birmingham is one of the larger cities ive been too. Although seems largely residential which is a problem for finding space for a massive stadium

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6108 on: October 13, 2024, 06:13:36 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.





Yes they would - the Town Moor whicih is behind St James Park is enormous. You could probably fit 5 new stadiums on that land and it's less than a mile from the current stadium.

I have no idea about ownership and legals etc, just pointing out, there is a ton of land behind their ground.

Their actual current plot would be quite large were it not for the fact there's a listed (very nice) Georgian terrace literally right behind one of the stands.

Random aside: What a great city Newcastle is, and a big part of that is that the ground is so central. When I was a student there, you'd hear the crowd anywhere in the centre, and that was when there were usually 20,000 in it, not 51,000.

I know as a one club city, the club is a focal point for the entire local population, but it's also helped by the fact it's there on top of a hill, right in a centre, looking out over it. They're lucky in that sense.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 06:16:04 PM by pauliewalnuts »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6109 on: October 13, 2024, 07:06:03 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.

The plan is to quadruple the size of the city centre by (I think) 2040.

A couple of years ago I opted to walk from Dylan Duffus’ Channel 7 bar (Custard Factory) to Hockley Social and soon decided it was taking too long and caught a taxi.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 07:21:28 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6110 on: October 13, 2024, 07:06:54 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.





If you went from 5 Ways down to the edge of Digbeth, you'd find yourself with wet feet to go so far in Liverpool, you'd be in some hills in Manchester. It's not a small city centre at all and things exciting in it already has absolutely nothing to do with it's size. Equally, citing a city smaller than Wigan, what do you expect?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6111 on: October 13, 2024, 07:07:22 PM »
There are 180m towers approved for development at the Matalan island.

That alone gives an idea of how what we see as 'the city centre' has changed.

If you look back to pre 2000 the city centre was even smaller (the concrete collar of the old Masshouse / bullring island set up). It'll get bigger going forward.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6112 on: October 13, 2024, 07:07:51 PM »
Can’t they just do what they do in retail and make a metre less and less long each year and hope nobody notices?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6113 on: October 13, 2024, 07:08:04 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.





If you went from 5 Ways down to the edge of Digbeth, you'd find yourself with wet feet to go so far in Liverpool, you'd be in some hills in Manchester. It's not a small city centre at all and things exciting in it already has absolutely nothing to do with it's size.

Yep, I was thinking similar, even Five Ways down to the bullring is a fair distance.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6114 on: October 13, 2024, 07:09:16 PM »
Birmingham's city centre is huge. Miles bigger than Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

I respectfully disagree. Birmingham city centre is not huge in any way whatsoever.

The other cities you mentioned also have small centres I agree, and there's no way a football ground would be built in any of those centres now either. St. James' Park has been there for over 100 years. They wouldn't be able to build a new stadium in the city centre nowadays.





If you went from 5 Ways down to the edge of Digbeth, you'd find yourself with wet feet to go so far in Liverpool, you'd be in some hills in Manchester. It's not a small city centre at all and things exciting in it already has absolutely nothing to do with it's size.

Yep, I was thinking similar, even Five Ways down to the bullring is a fair distance.


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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6115 on: October 13, 2024, 07:27:57 PM »
It's down to what you define as the city centre. Five Ways, Aston University and Digbeth never used to be and the JQ certainly wasn't.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6116 on: October 13, 2024, 07:35:03 PM »
Paulie is right about Newcastle. Brilliant city and there is a ton of land north of the ground. You could fit three St James' in Leazes Park alone. And about two-and-a-half on Hunters Moor the other side of the BBC. But they definitely shouldn't move far. Best located ground in the country.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6117 on: October 13, 2024, 07:36:10 PM »
It's down to what you define as the city centre. Five Ways, Aston University and Digbeth never used to be and the JQ certainly wasn't.

I think they are now. Digbeth has probably the best night-life and the JQ (St Paul’s Square) is only across the (very wide) road from Purnell’s and the BT tower, as well as being one of the very few places accessible by tram.

Also, the city centre extends further out past Aston Uni now.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 07:39:46 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6118 on: October 13, 2024, 08:23:16 PM »
The issue with the poll is that of the two leading candidates so far, one is doable and the other isn't. The North Stand is our property and whilst it poses logistical  problems, it's at least viable.
Building a new stadium in the city centre absolutely isn't and it will never happen. For a multitude of reasons.
I disagree that the new stadium option "will never happen".
A new stadium in the city centre? Where? Birmingham has a tiny city centre and that is taken up by retail outlets and expensive real estate. The cost, if you could even get planning permission, to build in the centre would be astronomical and totally unviable financially.
I doubt we will ever move from Villa Park but it's certainly possible. However, if we do move one day, it won't be to the city centre. There's just no space, never mind "cost efficient" space.
You didn't notice my crossed-out bit, then.
The current City Centre (define that!) may not offer the space but - as others have pointed out - the 'area' offers some scope. Your 'will never happen' is a little too definite for me.

Offline jon collett

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #6119 on: October 13, 2024, 08:54:08 PM »
We’ve never been an inner city Club and I wouldn’t like to see us become one. Hope we stay true to our identity and history!

 


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