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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5985 on: October 09, 2024, 10:52:41 AM »
How old are Wes and Nas?

62ish & 64 I think
probably too old for the first team then

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5986 on: October 09, 2024, 10:55:23 AM »
The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.
I cant remember what they bought into - but could it also be for other clubs NWSE have invested in / plan to like the LA Villians kind of thing? 

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5987 on: October 09, 2024, 11:02:56 AM »

I cant remember what they bought into - but could it also be for other clubs NWSE have invested in / plan to like the LA Villians kind of thing? 

Well it could be, but I don't think it is. After the LA bid failed, I don't think there's anything concrete in the pipeline, and all Atairos are doing at the moment is putting money into a loss-making Premier League club. If they were going to try to get an MLS franchise, whenever the next one is, why waste money on an established EPL club? They must have a concrete idea where the return is going to come from.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5988 on: October 09, 2024, 11:12:39 AM »
Yeah i dont see why NSWE  would be investing in other clubs if they were not in it for the long run. We are probably the most lucrative out of the ones they have under their umbrella

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5989 on: October 09, 2024, 12:24:04 PM »
The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.
Heck ruled out a stadium move; maybe it was simply expedient at the time of his comment. Like others, I think a stadium move seems most obvious right now.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5990 on: October 09, 2024, 12:31:27 PM »
The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.
Heck ruled out a stadium move; maybe it was simply expedient at the time of his comment. Like others, I think a stadium move seems most obvious right now.

Or a full scale redevelopment of Villa Park, the transport infrastructure and the environs.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5991 on: October 09, 2024, 12:35:25 PM »
There are two possibilities with Heck.

1) he wants to hit his targets whatever it takes and then knows he will go after 3 years. So it doesn’t really matter what he says in interviews other than hyping the Club to sell tickets and hospitality.

2) the owners don’t tell him about plans for the ground because there’s no need for him to know

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5992 on: October 09, 2024, 12:38:56 PM »
There are two possibilities with Heck.

1) he wants to hit his targets whatever it takes and then knows he will go after 3 years. So it doesn’t really matter what he says in interviews other than hyping the Club to sell tickets and hospitality.

2) the owners don’t tell him about plans for the ground because there’s no need for him to know

There are plenty more possibilities to add to that mix and I very much doubt that the second of your possibilities is at all likely.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5993 on: October 09, 2024, 12:40:32 PM »
There are two possibilities with Heck.

1) he wants to hit his targets whatever it takes and then knows he will go after 3 years. So it doesn’t really matter what he says in interviews other than hyping the Club to sell tickets and hospitality.

2) the owners don’t tell him about plans for the ground because there’s no need for him to know

Or he knows that it's being discussed but also knows that the connection to the ground amongst the fanbase is huge and the only way to 'sell' moving is to have a specific plan that can be presented in full.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5994 on: October 09, 2024, 12:43:47 PM »
Heck has come out so strongly against a move that if they were planning the opposite and not told him, he'd be off. I think he's here to hit £400 million turnover in two years then leave with a huge bonus. My only concern is that when they arrived NSWE said a three-handed business partnership doesn't work.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5995 on: October 09, 2024, 12:48:46 PM »
The expansion could have started next season as i understand where they were coming from having a expansion during our first CL season. It wouldn't have made sense to have a reduced capacity this year but next year it would have. So i think ruling it out completely was a error.

They could have expanded to 48500 for time being see if we sell out then slowly expltend further in next few seasons

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5996 on: October 09, 2024, 12:52:26 PM »
Heck has come out so strongly against a move that if they were planning the opposite and not told him, he'd be off. I think he's here to hit £400 million turnover in two years then leave with a huge bonus. My only concern is that when they arrived NSWE said a three-handed business partnership doesn't work.


I agree and I wouldn’t rule out that they communicate with him on a need to know basis given he’s here for the short term only.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2024, 12:54:30 PM by jon collett »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5997 on: October 09, 2024, 01:14:22 PM »

I cant remember what they bought into - but could it also be for other clubs NWSE have invested in / plan to like the LA Villians kind of thing? 

Well it could be, but I don't think it is. After the LA bid failed, I don't think there's anything concrete in the pipeline, and all Atairos are doing at the moment is putting money into a loss-making Premier League club. If they were going to try to get an MLS franchise, whenever the next one is, why waste money on an established EPL club? They must have a concrete idea where the return is going to come from.
I guess - but it could be a case of buying into a network of clubs Villas size - who they think over the next 10 years will become Man City size. 

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5998 on: October 09, 2024, 01:19:59 PM »
Heck has come out so strongly against a move that if they were planning the opposite and not told him, he'd be off. I think he's here to hit £400 million turnover in two years then leave with a huge bonus. My only concern is that when they arrived NSWE said a three-handed business partnership doesn't work.

True but one of the criticisms of him is that he's lied and just said what people want to hear. I don't know and I can see how the romanticism around Villa Park would echo well with someone who'd like to find ways to monetise that but I just think we either trust what Heck says and accept that he truly believes we are gonig nowhere or we think he's full of shit and take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #5999 on: October 09, 2024, 02:31:55 PM »
Well he said "in my lifetime" he can't see us moving from VP in that interview with Gabby a few months ago. Maybe he meant "in my Villa-career". I mean he's not going to care too much about us when he leaves.

 


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