Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread

[Matt Collins]

They haven't said grealish isn't going. Theyve said we don't need to sell him, which is different.

On the potential mendes link. No idea if true. But this link here has a list of players by transfer value in his agency. You can see a lot of household names and then as you scroll down you can clearly see where Forest have inserted themselves in the pecking order.

Will be interesting to see if we pick any of these players up. We've already got the keeper, who's on there. There didn't seem too many obvious candidates (young , valued at over £1m). But I don't know any of these players

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gestifute/beraterfirma/berater/413

[Matt Collins]

Though I reckon it would be possible to start a rumour on twitter that we're after striker Joel tagueu and midfielder João gambao

 

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[cdbearsfan]

He's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.

If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.

Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.

Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ish

Exactly.

[footyskillz]

Where and how  i see it on Grealish.

That he is unlikely to be sold and will be kept on.
My reasons for seeing it like this is that the owners do not need to sell and want to keep the best players .

I will take the quote of Bruce and reference that to previous quote. "The one thing that the new owners have said it that no-body is for sale”
"We don’t want to lose our best players."
"we will now be doing our utmost to make sure these things do not happen and not let them go anywhere."


Previously as an asset Grealish was being moved on because of the financial situation. And that it was , quoting Bruce "inevitable" that Jack was being sold. Now the language is extremely different

And there is a clear media campaign to put out there that the villa arent wishing to sell and  attempt to discredit levy and spurs alleged moves and bidding.

I think doing all we can to make sure our best players stay.

Similar report with Chester to be made captain and new contract . The news given out to report such stories including 3rd richest owners and keeping players only bodes well.

And is a massive contrast and spin to the previous crisis talk   

Now what's very interesting is agent mendes. This could be the end of Bruce due to the fact that he's not making all the calls on these moves .

However Bruce old school approach needs updating and looking to bring in players linked by mendes could prove a disaster as in current manager have little ability handling them than his usual English/uk based breed .

Be interesting to see relationship there as nuno has a long history with mendes before  wolves and I don't know if Bruce has much but he does with Jose Mourinho so could work.

Such signings could move us away from the football style of Bruce but would the manager have capablities of  working with such expressive flair euro players or conversely adapt them with a capcity to make them play Bruce ball.

Mendes players are schooled way different to Bruce. Karanka at forest gets it I'm dubious to how Bruce would. Friends of Mourinho but is Bruce to like this way even if Jose explained it would help

Time will tell

[tomd2103]

Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool is doing the rounds. Watched him for Wales, good little player.

Great exciting prospect and known as prince of Wales ! Definitely a positive move all round.

Would like to think he has greater impact than onomah and I not sure where that puts the snoddy deal but would take woodburn for his attacking abilities

Why would we want an 18 loanee striker? - I thought we had plenty of young and older strikers in the squad.

Have seen him play for Wales a few times and had is not a striker.  He plays predominantly on the left, but can also play on the right and would be a decent option for us. 

[Matt Collins]

He's been playing deeper in pre season apparantlry as a no 8

It does seem like he's an obvious grealish replacement - but who knows perhaps we get him in anyway

We need at least three wingers in the squad  if we're going to play wingers

If we're going to play 352 I've no idea what we'd do with them all

I can't see green and adomah as wing backs really

[UK Redsox]

John Percy.  I didn’t even know we had been under an embargo.

Aston Villa want Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool as transfer embargo is lifted

John Percy
Ben Woodburn points

The new Westy

[footyskillz]

My Liverpool supporting mate tells me he can play in a 3 in midfield .

Also has played more for Wales than he has Liverpool so doesn't have loads more info.

However Chester and Taylor will be familiar with him.

Also he scored a beauty on his Wales debut.

Dean Saunders said he's as talented as Rashford which is some praise.

[eamonn]

He's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.

If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.

Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.

Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ish

Yeah but does Rushian read the Guardian?

[Brassneck]

I'm all for these type of loans.  However, I am concerned that there appears to be some kind of obligation on tams to have to play these youngsters.

I'm convinced that was why Onomah had so many breaks last season.  Reading that Liverpool are renowned for insisting this concerns me because there has to come a point in a 46 game season where an 18 year old needs to be taken out of it because of either loss of form or pure fatigue.

[cdbearsfan]

He's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.

If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.

Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.

Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ish

Yeah but does Rushian read the Guardian?

He's got to do something to pass the time while he's in the physio room.

[tomd2103]

He's been playing deeper in pre season apparantlry as a no 8

It does seem like he's an obvious grealish replacement - but who knows perhaps we get him in anyway

We need at least three wingers in the squad  if we're going to play wingers

If we're going to play 352 I've no idea what we'd do with them all

I can't see green and adomah as wing backs really

Didn't know that Matt and from the times I have seen him play for Wales, I can't really see him playing there.  He's not the biggest, but from what I have seen of him he is quick, direct and has got some quality in the final third.  Wouldn't envisage him playing every game for us this season if he did come, but would be a useful option. 

[Drummond]

Woodburn is highly regarded in Liverpool, I reckon he'd do well in the Championship for us from what I've heard. Last season wasn't the rapid rise people were expecting, but then Salah and Sane made that a bit tricky!

[Keeno]

Friend of mine who watches a lot of Liverpool let me know about the Woodburn link yesterday - said that everyone at the club + fans think very highly of him but because of Keita/Fabinho arrivals this summer he needs games. Klopp has played him mainly as one of the midfield three in this pre season and that's where they see him longer term almost as a future Milner-type player. As it is now he can basically play across any of the front six (which is obviously a trait Klopp likes) - I think in a 4-3-3, him and Grealish alongside a mobile DM such as BB could be very exciting. Definitely a promising one if we can make it stick.

[passitsideways]

I don't doubt he's talented and all, but I don't really see the point of having him in primarily as a midfield option if Jack is staying - I know Hourihane's not everyone's cup of tea, but surely if we want more attacking thrust from midfield, we'd just give him greater licence to get forward instead of making him stand a few feet away from the defensive midfielder as was the case most of the games last season. If Woodburn is genuinely good enough to play on either flank (as opposed to, say, Onomah, who really couldn't play wide), that would be a different story.