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Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #150 on: September 17, 2017, 04:07:27 PM »
Valencia scuffs one in.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #151 on: September 17, 2017, 04:12:52 PM »
Valencia scuffs one in.

4-0 in the 1,254th minute of injury time! ;)

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #152 on: September 17, 2017, 04:19:06 PM »
Bruce benefits from Fergie time.


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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #153 on: September 17, 2017, 04:52:20 PM »
Bruce benefits from Fergie time.


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Nope, I say we take it! 4-0!

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #154 on: September 17, 2017, 05:12:19 PM »
I'd fancy that if you go through a season having less than 40% every game you'll lose more than you'll win. In a one off game it's irrelevant like when we won at Southampton with something like 22%, do it every game and it's a matter I reckon.

I'm pretty sure Leicester won the league with around 40% possession on average

True but that was a freak one off which probably wont happen again. They were also regarded as under dogs in that league and could justifiably play counter attacking football.
Personally I think possession stats are overused and overrated. Does anyone know what our possession stats were when we won the league and the European Cup? I doubt it.
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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #155 on: September 17, 2017, 05:32:15 PM »
Lazy post so apologies if it's already been mentioned but when was our last away win by a three goal margin in the league?

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #156 on: September 17, 2017, 05:33:08 PM »
Lazy post so apologies if it's already been mentioned but when was our last away win by a three goal margin in the league?

Sunderland 4-0 under Sherwood.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2017, 05:45:45 PM »
To those that were at the match, is there any truth that Terry was far more vocal yesterday than in previous games?

Either way he was excellent.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #158 on: September 17, 2017, 07:03:19 PM »
Possession without territory makes the statistic irrelevant. Barnsley had the ball first half in areas they couldn't hurt us. Same as Norwich.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #159 on: September 17, 2017, 07:16:34 PM »
Excuse my ignorance but is possession measured as the length of time a team retains the ball or the number of passes completed without giving the ball away?  Would Westwood rack up higher possession running from one touchline to the other with the ball than four of our players passing the ball sideways to cover the same ground?

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #160 on: September 17, 2017, 07:18:15 PM »
Possession as a percentage of play would probably be the former.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #161 on: September 17, 2017, 07:37:53 PM »
Thanks Lee.  So effectiveness, that is, what you can do with possession is not factored in.  Thus Westwood purposelessly running 60 yards across the pitch for one minute counts the same as say, four linked passes that might lead to something for a similar period.  As Charles Dickens might have written. Statistics is a ass.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #162 on: September 17, 2017, 07:44:11 PM »
Thanks Lee.  So effectiveness, that is, what you can do with possession is not factored in.  Thus Westwood purposelessly running 60 yards across the pitch for one minute counts the same as say, four linked passes that might lead to something for a similar period.  As Charles Dickens might have written. Statistics is a ass.

It's harder to score if you don't have possession though.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #163 on: September 17, 2017, 07:59:29 PM »
True, but I was trying, by the inclusion of Westwood's name to highlight the difference between pointless possession for possession's sake and constructive possession from which an attack might spring.  I think I will chuck a couple of logs on the fire and go to bed and dream of JT holding that lovely old trophy aloft.

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Re: Barnsley v Unbeatable Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #164 on: September 17, 2017, 08:02:20 PM »
Message to Steve Bruce who has spent his career managing underdogs.

Please understand the difference between hysteria and expectation that comes from managing a big club.

Hull - Disappointing after signings made and full pre-season
Cardiff - Desperate
Reading - Desperate (Don't be fooled by our late goal making it look closer)
Norwich - Excellent, stumbled across KD due to injuries
Wigan - Excellent, different players coming in but continue with attacking intent
Bristol - Changes structure of winning team and loses all momentum
Brentford - fails to spot small ginger headed guy who has run the last three games we have played against them
Middlesbrough - wastes 40 mins by not changing things whilst we have extra player
Barnsley- Excellent

Please use the Barnsley game as platform, stop going on about hysteria and start spotting things that are happening on the pitch.

Hysteria! Just calm down! :)

Seriously, good first post.

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