Aston Villa v Hull City post match thread.

[LeeB]

Didn't watch Football on 5....was it better than last years dross?

Christ yes.

[ozzjim]

Sorry I am with Risso on Lansbury at the moment. Hourihane has more ability on the ball and looks more likely to scrore a goal to me. I thought Lansbury became more and more of a passenger and should have been the one to make way not Hogan for Onomah.

More than that though, why the fuck is Bacuna in that starting line up. Whelan can do all the tackling for 3 men, he clearly loves a tackle, so why on earth is Hourihane not starting in there with him to give us some quality on the ball. Bacuna succeeded in doing sweet FA for however long he was on the pitch. Awful.

On the positives, Terry, Chester and Johnstone looked good, Hutton just got drawn away from the man for their goal but otherwise looked good, Elmo can't have control a ball (and thus relieve pressure) but looks a bit lost as to what to do with it, and as we have said for the last couple of weeks, we are still a target man and a winger from being a decent side. Stick a target man into that 11 alongside Hogan today we win the match.

Hogan is a lucky goal from scoring a few. He was inches a few times today, and worked his knackers off in the first half. We overpaid by about 6 million for him, but he will be useful.

[Matt Collins]

Lansbury the newest scapegoat at 2:7m.

Thought he looked ok tbh, first game he will get better.

You have to pick a side

He's either the best midfield in the league and we've ruined him

Or he's shit

[Five Villa Tattoos]

I salute anyone who thinks today was a positive.
Two mid table, at best, teams slug out a draw with neither wanting to win.
Today made most of the  belief of ever leaving this league leave me. Not all my belief but most of it.
I pray I'm wrong, I really do. Nothing today suggested anything has changed from last season.

You're wrong so don't bother praying, it's all bullshit anyway.

What am I wrong about? Maybe you could enlighten me?

The mid table team and lack of change from last season.

Oh right so you think we looked better today than last season and also we're not mid table at present.

I know it's officially the first game of the season but I think every club is still tinkering, assembling the team, working on competitive match sharpness, shape and so on. As unit I was pleased with the structure today more so than against Sheff Wed last year and of course we might not be everyone's flavour of the month the way we set up but I think we'll definitely finish no lower than the play offs. That might be below some expectations but I'll take that if it means promotion.

If Kodjia isn't fit very soon or we don't get in another forward then we'll be too far off the pace for the play offs. The two who played today are not good enough.
Last season our poor start cost us and one of the above needs to happen or it will cost us again.

[QuintonVilla]

The trouble with starting the likes of Bacuna is you don't get the crowd fully onside because most are thinking 'why the feck is he playing?' and rightly or wrongly most are waiting for him to be subbed off because he's garbage.

[Matt Collins]

The trouble with starting the likes of Bacuna is you don't get the crowd fully onside because most are thinking 'why the feck is he playing?' and rightly or wrongly most are waiting for him to be subbed off because he's garbage.

He wasn't great. I did think he looked a lot sharper than hourihane last weekend tho so can understand the decision. suspect  he wont start v Cardiff

[tomd2103]

Sorry I am with Risso on Lansbury at the moment. Hourihane has more ability on the ball and looks more likely to scrore a goal to me. I thought Lansbury became more and more of a passenger and should have been the one to make way not Hogan for Onomah.

More than that though, why the fuck is Bacuna in that starting line up. Whelan can do all the tackling for 3 men, he clearly loves a tackle, so why on earth is Hourihane not starting in there with him to give us some quality on the ball. Bacuna succeeded in doing sweet FA for however long he was on the pitch. Awful.

On the positives, Terry, Chester and Johnstone looked good, Hutton just got drawn away from the man for their goal but otherwise looked good, Elmo can't have control a ball (and thus relieve pressure) but looks a bit lost as to what to do with it, and as we have said for the last couple of weeks, we are still a target man and a winger from being a decent side. Stick a target man into that 11 alongside Hogan today we win the match.

Hogan is a lucky goal from scoring a few. He was inches a few times today, and worked his knackers off in the first half. We overpaid by about 6 million for him, but he will be useful.

I think Bacuna started because we need some legs alongside Whelan.  Bacuna simply isn't good enough in possession to play regularly in central midfield, as he showed again today.   Hourihane and Lansbury haven't got the mobility to do the required role and although the kid from Spurs can supposedly play there, we might have to look at bringing someone in.

Have to disagree with you about Hogan, as I just don't think he fits our style of play and vice versa. We desperately need a physical presence up there with Kodjia working off them when he comes back. 

[CT]

Decent first half, totally fell away as per normal in the second until the appalling Bacuna got taken off. I wonder if there's any chance SB could play someone with a left foot in that position? If only there was someone on the bench....

Happy with Terry, Hutton and Elmo today.

Apart from the tragically bad Bacuna, I have to say Henri Lansbury was hideous. I fail to see what he does or offers.

What really boiled my piss was when we get a free kick was a few minutes left, zero urgency, just struts over at snails pace and lobs in another average cross. For me, today, he was a total show pony. I can only hope he gets better.

Thought a draw was fair. Going to be a long season...

[Tuscans]

Didn't watch Football on 5....was it better than last years dross?

Christ yes.

Good Good, might tune in for more than the 27 seconds I did last season.

[Tuscans]

I salute anyone who thinks today was a positive.
Two mid table, at best, teams slug out a draw with neither wanting to win.
Today made most of the  belief of ever leaving this league leave me. Not all my belief but most of it.
I pray I'm wrong, I really do. Nothing today suggested anything has changed from last season.

You're wrong so don't bother praying, it's all bullshit anyway.

What am I wrong about? Maybe you could enlighten me?

The mid table team and lack of change from last season.

Oh right so you think we looked better today than last season and also we're not mid table at present.

I know it's officially the first game of the season but I think every club is still tinkering, assembling the team, working on competitive match sharpness, shape and so on. As unit I was pleased with the structure today more so than against Sheff Wed last year and of course we might not be everyone's flavour of the month the way we set up but I think we'll definitely finish no lower than the play offs. That might be below some expectations but I'll take that if it means promotion.

If Kodjia isn't fit very soon or we don't get in another forward then we'll be too far off the pace for the play offs. The two who played today are not good enough.
Last season our poor start cost us and one of the above needs to happen or it will cost us again.

Yeah getting Kod back, fit and ready will be key to our season but I disagree that Hogan isn't good enough. The service he thrives on isn't there and I think an unselfish No.10 next to him would suit him better. But I don't think that will happen a partnership between him and Kod will never take off. Hogan is a bit of a weird signing if you have Kodjia but I still rate him.

[ozzjim]

Sorry I am with Risso on Lansbury at the moment. Hourihane has more ability on the ball and looks more likely to scrore a goal to me. I thought Lansbury became more and more of a passenger and should have been the one to make way not Hogan for Onomah.

More than that though, why the fuck is Bacuna in that starting line up. Whelan can do all the tackling for 3 men, he clearly loves a tackle, so why on earth is Hourihane not starting in there with him to give us some quality on the ball. Bacuna succeeded in doing sweet FA for however long he was on the pitch. Awful.

On the positives, Terry, Chester and Johnstone looked good, Hutton just got drawn away from the man for their goal but otherwise looked good, Elmo can't have control a ball (and thus relieve pressure) but looks a bit lost as to what to do with it, and as we have said for the last couple of weeks, we are still a target man and a winger from being a decent side. Stick a target man into that 11 alongside Hogan today we win the match.

Hogan is a lucky goal from scoring a few. He was inches a few times today, and worked his knackers off in the first half. We overpaid by about 6 million for him, but he will be useful.

I think Bacuna started because we need some legs alongside Whelan.  Bacuna simply isn't good enough in possession to play regularly in central midfield, as he showed again today.   Hourihane and Lansbury haven't got the mobility to do the required role and although the kid from Spurs can supposedly play there, we might have to look at bringing someone in.

Have to disagree with you about Hogan, as I just don't think he fits our style of play and vice versa. We desperately need a physical presence up there with Kodjia working off them when he comes back. 

Hourihane at Barnsley was one of the stand out players in that position in the league. How on earth is he less mobile than Bacuna? I just don't get that.

Agree on a physical presence but I think Hogan would benefit from that too.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

Laughable how Hogan is m classed as shit. He seemed to be good when playing in a better team. Nobody's thought it's the team and not him?

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

 A

[exiled on the wirral!]

Overall I thought we were ok, we had so many chances to finish Hull off and the fact we only ended up with a point might be a wake up call to the players that we have got to be ruthless in front of goal. So in hindsight today's result might be a blessing in disguise. I was actually encouraged how we were set up and I thought we were quite entertaining to watch for the majority of the game. 45 games to go and I still think we are going up.

[tomd2103]

Sorry I am with Risso on Lansbury at the moment. Hourihane has more ability on the ball and looks more likely to scrore a goal to me. I thought Lansbury became more and more of a passenger and should have been the one to make way not Hogan for Onomah.

More than that though, why the fuck is Bacuna in that starting line up. Whelan can do all the tackling for 3 men, he clearly loves a tackle, so why on earth is Hourihane not starting in there with him to give us some quality on the ball. Bacuna succeeded in doing sweet FA for however long he was on the pitch. Awful.

On the positives, Terry, Chester and Johnstone looked good, Hutton just got drawn away from the man for their goal but otherwise looked good, Elmo can't have control a ball (and thus relieve pressure) but looks a bit lost as to what to do with it, and as we have said for the last couple of weeks, we are still a target man and a winger from being a decent side. Stick a target man into that 11 alongside Hogan today we win the match.

Hogan is a lucky goal from scoring a few. He was inches a few times today, and worked his knackers off in the first half. We overpaid by about 6 million for him, but he will be useful.

I think Bacuna started because we need some legs alongside Whelan.  Bacuna simply isn't good enough in possession to play regularly in central midfield, as he showed again today.   Hourihane and Lansbury haven't got the mobility to do the required role and although the kid from Spurs can supposedly play there, we might have to look at bringing someone in.

Have to disagree with you about Hogan, as I just don't think he fits our style of play and vice versa. We desperately need a physical presence up there with Kodjia working off them when he comes back. 

Hourihane at Barnsley was one of the stand out players in that position in the league. How on earth is he less mobile than Bacuna? I just don't get that.

Agree on a physical presence but I think Hogan would benefit from that too.

Sorry Jim, but Bacuna is far more mobile and athletic than Hourihane.  I just think a midfield two of Whelan and Hourihane or Lansbury is going to be a bit one paced.  I can only think that is the reason why Bacuna started today.