Newcastle United v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[old man villa fan]

Are we not reacting more to the Hogan incident due to the frustrations of what we are seeing on the pitch.  The bench would have known straight away how serious it was once the trainer and doctor got on the pitch.  The incident occurred at a corner and once the keeper took the ball, all of our players dropped back to defend.  When they were assessing the injury and putting Hogan on the stretcher, he was in massive discomfort and having players would not have helped him in any way.

Having said the above, Chester, as captain, should have gone across as they were carrying Hogan off.

[nick harper]

Are we not reacting more to the Hogan incident due to the frustrations of what we are seeing on the pitch.  The bench would have known straight away how serious it was once the trainer and doctor got on the pitch.  The incident occurred at a corner and once the keeper took the ball, all of our players dropped back to defend.  When they were assessing the injury and putting Hogan on the stretcher, he was in massive discomfort and having players would not have helped him in any way.

Having said the above, Chester, as captain, should have gone across as they were carrying Hogan off.

Basic human concern for a team mate I would have thought. He was clearly in distress and to a man, they carried on running off. Their goalkeeper kicked it out straight away.

[aj2k77]

No, we are reacting as every team when one of their own suffers a bad injury seem to rally round him whilst we swan around not giving a fuck because yet again, somehow, we have signed a bunch of fannys who take no responsibility for anything and don't give a fuck.

We are way too soft of them, we accept any old shit because that's all we've seen for so long, any old shit, the standards at this club are appalling. We make excuses for every fuck up they do, well enough is enough, they've done it at other clubs, we are making them rich at not even getting the basics in return from them.

Fuck them, useless ******, we need a few harsh home truths being told in this dressing room, no pussy footing around because the effort, second to every fucking ball in and around the box is abysmal.

[ClarrieBlue]

We did play reasonably well for 40 mins against a side who by all accounts were having an "off night". When you think that Newcastle then coasted to a regulation 2-0 home victory, it makes it even worse. I don't know what the best position is for Thor but I'm pretty sure it ain't playing wide right in front of Alan Hutton as he did first half. Maybe the idea was to protect the defence across the pitch. Like everyone else I am at a loss to work out how we are getting it so wrong. As someone said earlier we have replaced a slow, ponderous and one paced midfield with another one. Most teams in our league have a midfielder who buzzes around the pitch linking up the play. Woods at Brentford and Colback from last night spring to mind.
On a slightly ridiculous note, I read this morning that we have now spent about 80 million under Dr T. I couldn't help but amuse myself with the thought that this amount of money could perhaps buy some well placed Championship teams lock, stock and barrel. We could then play their first team in place of ours and sit comfortable mid-table. I know it's not allowed and it's me just rambling but that's how mad it is at the moment. Instead we have cherry picked the Championship to arrive at just about the most disjointed "team" imagineable. No apparent leaders, no partnerships on the pitch and a seeming lack of bottle.

[auntiesledd]

I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other.  The Chester interview appeared to confirm it.  When this has happened in times past young players, untainted by personal animosity have helped restore a bit of team spirit.  It really took hold in the dressing room when Sherwood used his favoured players to unsettle the francophones and shore up his own not-my-fault-guv position as Mr Shortlistofone.
And who do we see warming up for the Derby game?  Well I never.  Mr Agbonlahor and Mr Richards.  Just the chaps we need to unite the dressing room.

Very interesting comments from Chester. The obvious question is what the hell are Bruce and his management team doing to create a team atmosphere?

To be fair, Chester was talking in the past tense when he referred to the the toxicity within the dressing room: i.e.  “... I think that will change now with the group we’ve got here. We’ve got a lot of honest people.”

I can't say it fills me with confidence about the current situation, mind.

[aj2k77]

I agree, let's buy Sheffield Wednesday. I'm sick to the back teeth of these pricks. 6 years of almost unrelenting tripe. It's getting to the level now where we will affect our support long term, who as a kid can you imagine will want to support this losing rabble. We are boring, we are gutless, we lack effort and will to win and desire and we make every excuse under the sun for them.

[RussellC]

Of all of the things that frustrated me last night, the most was Bruce not reacting as soon as the second goal when in. It was startlingly obvious that we weren't going to score 2 goals with the players and personnel that we had on the pitch, so why on earth leave it another 10 minutes before making a change?

And, how on earth is Bjarnason ahead of Adomah, Grealish, Green and Bacuna in the pecking-order? This situation is 100% of Bruce's doing. Any less than 4 points in the next 2 games, and he should go, IMO.

[Clampy]

I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other.  The Chester interview appeared to confirm it. 

Brian, did you think that before Chester's interview or did Chester's words happen to bring it to your attention? I don't think they hate each other to a man at all, well I don't get that impression anyway. If anything, to me it just looks like a fragile disjointed team who have not played together for very long who are also lacking confidence.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.

..to be replaced by whom?

Roger De Courcey and nookey bear

Gollocks

[mattjpa]

 Now feeling like i can give a balanced view having had some of the doom subsided. We were quite good first half, despite what some say, we couldnt be much more adventurous than that as they would have got in behind us. Saying that, we do need to get midfielders in the opposition box. its an easy, simple thing to do and was the sole reason for Sherwoods initial positive impact.Too often we gt the ball out wide and had Hogan vs 4-5 men in the box.
My other thought (im not one for scapegoats) but Elphick lost an aerial battle for the first goal and lost his man for the second goal. I think he has been personally responsible for 3-4 goals during this bad run, im sorry but he is not good enough - nowhere near

[aj2k77]

Elphick is appalling, possibly our first, true, 3rd Division player, for a long time. The fact potato thinks he should be in the side makes me question his judgement, as well as the Gabby and Richards garbage he comes out with.

[fredm]

I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other.  The Chester interview appeared to confirm it. 

Brian, did you think that before Chester's interview or did Chester's words happen to bring it to your attention? I don't think they hate each other to a man at all, well I don't get that impression anyway. If anything, to me it just looks like a fragile disjointed team who have not played together for very long who are also lacking confidence.

Maybe the majority of our signings have been "star" men at their previous clubs and are not happy now that they are just "one of the boys" ie thought about on a same level as everyone else.

[curiousorange]

That stuff Chester says bothers me a great deal. Not necessarily because it shows us as having a toxic dressing room, but because I can't believe at this stage in their careers we have a room full of players who can't stomach the concept of constructive criticism. It's not like most of them have been at this club for their entire careers and so have grown up with this uncritical mentality - they've all come from different dressing rooms with different ways of approaching lean spells yet he's alluding to a scene where nothing is ever discussed for fear of creating a toxic dressing room. Fucking hell, get a half-decent psychologist in if that's the problem!

[Witton Warrior]

Could someone direct me to the James Chester interview, mentioned above.

Thanks

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-skipper-james-chester-9854822

"we haven't had any team meetings as such" - WTF!!!

[Legion]

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