Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

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Insane for having a different opinion?

[Brassneck]

I think Bruce has clearly helped Jack mature as a person and a player. Not sure he's improved him tactically or anything though.

You could equally argue that it was Terry who helped Jack mature.  Or even the injury he suffered last summer.

Realistically, many people contribute in small ways to a players development but what Jack has can't be coached into you, it comes from a natural gift.

Ultimately, Jack has certainly improved under Bruce but whether this is because of Bruce, I'm not too sure.  Maybe I'm being harsh on Bruce though.

[Risso]

Whatever the reason, even as a vocal critic of Bruce, it's a bit harsh to ignore his effect on Grealish.  You can't blame him for all of the many negative things he gets wrong, then ignore the things he gets right in my opinion.  That said, it still isn't enough, and a player like Grealish should be used in a much more advanced position and should be scoring far more often than he does.

[Brassneck]

Whatever the reason, even as a vocal critic of Bruce, it's a bit harsh to ignore his effect on Grealish.  You can't blame him for all of the many negative things he gets wrong, then ignore the things he gets right in my opinion.  That said, it still isn't enough, and a player like Grealish should be used in a much more advanced position and should be scoring far more often than he does.

As I said, personally, I don't know if Bruce is to take credit for Jack's progress.  I believe that it would have occurred no matter who or where he has playing.  You can't coach what Jack has so the only way that Bruce could have had a positive input is on the mental side of things. 

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But you know Terry is?

[Monty]

I thought it was pretty well known that both Terry and Bruce helped?

[Brassneck]

But you know Terry is?

I didn't say that though did I?

I said that Terry could EASILY be argued as the reason for Jack's maturing, just as Bruce could be.

It is difficult, if not impossible to assess the reasoning behind Jack's development.

[The Edge]

This is going round in circles. None of us know the truth about who to credit for Jacks development. My personal view is there's been any number of influences on the lad plus he's matured as a person. It's obvious that posters on here have become pretty intractable in their opinions on Bruce. What I really want to know is this. Is he going to solve the blindingly obvious defensive issues that are going to cost us an automatic promotion spot?

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I thought it was pretty well known that both Terry and Bruce helped?

I would imagine that's fairly self evident that better quality players, the coaching staff, the manager and even himself have all played a part in him being better now than he was.

[paul_e]

Bruce definitely played a part in Jack's change in attitude but that was alongside Terry and his injury and probably other things as well.  Either way he's not a player signed by Bruce.

On the original question I can't think of anyone we've signed (loan or permanent) who has become better other than Johnstone.

Bruce feels a bit like some playing FM for the first time who signs 8-9 players every window but never even looks at the training options and then when they get to January and aren't top of the league they do it again, and repeat for a couple of seasons before they realise it just doesn't work and start playing the game properly.

[Taylor]

I think Bruce sees Jedinak as a successor to Terry, and will play him as a centre back regardless, hoping that game time in that position will improve his quality. I have been a vocal supporter of our manager for a long time, but I think this is a big risk. Still wouldn’t sack him though.

[Risso]

This is what Bruce said about playing Jedinak in defence:

“I just think that for his career and us at the moment, that’s the progressive thing for him.

I think he’ll get better. He had an outstanding few games for us last year. He’s done OK and I’m sure he’ll get better at it.”

There you go.  He's done OK [he hasn't] and I'm sure he'll get better at it.  Inspirational.

[ROBBO]

Two things, first Jedi is not going to improve only get slower second, if Grealish is going to be constantly fouled I want it to be in shooting distance from the opposition goal.

[Brend'Watkins]

Progressive?  What, he's going to develop speed and improve his passing is he?  No he's not, every one knows this.

[andyh]

Old dog and new tricks springs to mind