Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Three Spires Villa]

the manager and financial situation are two different things imo

i honestly believe that even if we had gone up the premiership money would have just masked over the troubles for a later date with Xia,
 we would have had to spend most of it on new players, maybe buying some of the loan players, and players wages
the cash flow/money problems would have come again at some time as i don't think Xia is anything like the man he would have us believe he is

Bruce is a different case,
he certainly hasn't helped with the financial meltdown buying a load of old plodders and putting them on massive wages with virtually no chance of selling any of them to ease the cash flow because they arn't good enough to old or payed to much money that alone is unforgivable but not the main reason we are in this hell hole

 personally hate his football, his tactics, the players he's bought in are mostly poor there is not one thing i can think of that makes me think he is any good with or without backing

now the squad has been stripped bare of the loan players and in time the expected sale of our saleable assets what we have left is no where near worthy of the money Bruce has spent
we will start the season with every last one of Bruce's boys as literally not a single one could you get your money back because they are not good enough, to old or on to bigger wages

that's where we are, the blokes build nothing, has nothing of worth to sell and has no idea what to do in footballing terms to get us out of this mess

whatever else Bruce has done while at Villa the one thing he has not done is given us any stability,
i laugh my bollocks of when i see the word stability linked with Bruce, you couldn't get any further from the truth to suggest it frankly

we are in the least stable position we have ever been in certainly in my lifetime on and off the pitch
if we want to give ourselves a chance to improve, move forward create some stability try and manoeuvre our way out of the shit trough it will not be with Bruce he just doesn't and cant do it,
you don't even need to be a genius to see it , its right there in front of our eyes

there is not a single good reason to keep him no matter what happens off the pitch..........imo

*wild applause* *slightly teary clutching of heart*

Excellent points. Well said, John.

👍👍👍

[Allan C]

the manager and financial situation are two different things imo

i honestly believe that even if we had gone up the premiership money would have just masked over the troubles for a later date with Xia,
 we would have had to spend most of it on new players, maybe buying some of the loan players, and players wages
the cash flow/money problems would have come again at some time as i don't think Xia is anything like the man he would have us believe he is

Bruce is a different case,
he certainly hasn't helped with the financial meltdown buying a load of old plodders and putting them on massive wages with virtually no chance of selling any of them to ease the cash flow because they arn't good enough to old or payed to much money that alone is unforgivable but not the main reason we are in this hell hole

 personally hate his football, his tactics, the players he's bought in are mostly poor there is not one thing i can think of that makes me think he is any good with or without backing

now the squad has been stripped bare of the loan players and in time the expected sale of our saleable assets what we have left is no where near worthy of the money Bruce has spent
we will start the season with every last one of Bruce's boys as literally not a single one could you get your money back because they are not good enough, to old or on to bigger wages

that's where we are, the blokes build nothing, has nothing of worth to sell and has no idea what to do in footballing terms to get us out of this mess

whatever else Bruce has done while at Villa the one thing he has not done is given us any stability,
i laugh my bollocks of when i see the word stability linked with Bruce, you couldn't get any further from the truth to suggest it frankly

we are in the least stable position we have ever been in certainly in my lifetime on and off the pitch
if we want to give ourselves a chance to improve, move forward create some stability try and manoeuvre our way out of the shit trough it will not be with Bruce he just doesn't and cant do it,
you don't even need to be a genius to see it , its right there in front of our eyes

there is not a single good reason to keep him no matter what happens off the pitch..........imo

Spot on mate  100% spot on

[Chris Smith]

Surely the stability came about because we had professionals playing for us such as Terry and Snoddy who would not have put up with any slackers. They have gone and I hope we can find a new owner so we can dispose of Bruce as well.

Robbo, you seem to be suggesting that players that Bruce signed who had a positive impact is not something the manager deserves any credit for. There are a number of reasons why he might lose his job such as failing to achieve promotion, financial restrictions and new owners wanting their own man. Having a closely knit squad is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I agree with every word.

Manager and owner out. Sooner rather than later.

Spot on!

As a Moss myself I'm intrigued what relation Amos was to you if Frank was your uncle - cheers buddy VCTM

Hi VCTM....I have tried to send you a PM but without luck as it can't find you!

Frank snr married my dad's sister, so the Moss boys - Frank jnr, Amos and Dennis were my cousins. I am still in touch with a few of their children.

[JUAN PABLO]

The last 5 clubs Bruce has managed since 2001

Small Heath
Wigan
Sunderland
Hull
Villa

None of them become stable and looked into the future.

[Clampy]

The last 5 clubs Bruce has managed since 2001

Small Heath
Wigan
Sunderland
Hull
Villa

None of them become stable and looked into the future.

That's a tad harsh and pointless in some respects especially as you said it's been 17 years since he managed one of those. Bruce is hardly to blame for Carson Yeung for example.

[brian green]

Us. Harsh on Bruce?  Surely not.

[paul_e]

The last 5 clubs Bruce has managed since 2001

Small Heath
Wigan
Sunderland
Hull
Villa

None of them become stable and looked into the future.

That's a tad harsh and pointless in some respects especially as you said it's been 17 years since he managed one of those. Bruce is hardly to blame for Carson Yeung for example.

True but the discussion is about the effect he has on club stability and the evidence suggests the answer is 'not much', in part that's because he's walked away when the jobs started to require him to use the players he had rather than constantly adding to it. Given that appears to be exactly where we are now I'd say it's far from pointless.

[tomd2103]

The last 5 clubs Bruce has managed since 2001

Small Heath
Wigan
Sunderland
Hull
Villa

None of them become stable and looked into the future.

That's a tad harsh and pointless in some respects especially as you said it's been 17 years since he managed one of those. Bruce is hardly to blame for Carson Yeung for example.

True but the discussion is about the effect he has on club stability and the evidence suggests the answer is 'not much', in part that's because he's walked away when the jobs started to require him to use the players he had rather than constantly adding to it. Given that appears to be exactly where we are now I'd say it's far from pointless.

It's pretty clear now that despite talk of grand future plans, the whole club revolved around a very short term aim.  The appointment of Bruce is a clear example of that kind of thinking and in turn his signings also reflect it as well.   

[AV82EC]

the manager and financial situation are two different things imo

i honestly believe that even if we had gone up the premiership money would have just masked over the troubles for a later date with Xia,
 we would have had to spend most of it on new players, maybe buying some of the loan players, and players wages
the cash flow/money problems would have come again at some time as i don't think Xia is anything like the man he would have us believe he is

Bruce is a different case,
he certainly hasn't helped with the financial meltdown buying a load of old plodders and putting them on massive wages with virtually no chance of selling any of them to ease the cash flow because they arn't good enough to old or payed to much money that alone is unforgivable but not the main reason we are in this hell hole

 personally hate his football, his tactics, the players he's bought in are mostly poor there is not one thing i can think of that makes me think he is any good with or without backing

now the squad has been stripped bare of the loan players and in time the expected sale of our saleable assets what we have left is no where near worthy of the money Bruce has spent
we will start the season with every last one of Bruce's boys as literally not a single one could you get your money back because they are not good enough, to old or on to bigger wages

that's where we are, the blokes build nothing, has nothing of worth to sell and has no idea what to do in footballing terms to get us out of this mess

whatever else Bruce has done while at Villa the one thing he has not done is given us any stability,
i laugh my bollocks of when i see the word stability linked with Bruce, you couldn't get any further from the truth to suggest it frankly

we are in the least stable position we have ever been in certainly in my lifetime on and off the pitch
if we want to give ourselves a chance to improve, move forward create some stability try and manoeuvre our way out of the shit trough it will not be with Bruce he just doesn't and cant do it,
you don't even need to be a genius to see it , its right there in front of our eyes

there is not a single good reason to keep him no matter what happens off the pitch..........imo

I nodded in agreement when I read this last night and want to give this a huge round of applause today.

[JUAN PABLO]

The last 5 clubs Bruce has managed since 2001

Small Heath
Wigan
Sunderland
Hull
Villa

None of them become stable and looked into the future.

That's a tad harsh and pointless in some respects especially as you said it's been 17 years since he managed one of those. Bruce is hardly to blame for Carson Yeung for example.

My point being he is a very short fix manager with his old faves and does not plan much a future foundation especially with youth etc.                 

[Nelly]

Totally agree what the post from John E too. My prayer is that Villa get bought soon and we can finally, finally get in a manager with a long term view to build the club back up.

[villa `cross the mersey]

I agree with every word.

Manager and owner out. Sooner rather than later.

Spot on!

As a Moss myself I'm intrigued what relation Amos was to you if Frank was your uncle - cheers buddy VCTM

Hi VCTM....I have tried to send you a PM but without luck as it can't find you!

Frank snr married my dad's sister, so the Moss boys - Frank jnr, Amos and Dennis were my cousins. I am still in touch with a few of their children.

Thanks for responding -  my mom and dad met them all I believe - through Harry Parkes and George Edwards - my mom worked for George in Hall Green - I think they also knew Stan Lynn

[JUAN PABLO]

"Birmingham had become such a mess that going there [to Wigan] second time around did reinvigorate me a little bit. I was fed up with all the infighting and whether the club was going to be sold."


Steve Bruce talking about Small Heath ..      He wont be here for long then?


However, the former Manchester United defender is unapologetic about leaving Wigan in June and insists he would never have been able to further his career there because it was impossible to keep his best players.

Bruce talking about Wigan.....    He wont be here for long then?

[Clampy]

What's interesting is that some people who want him to go are having a pop at him for leaving other clubs in the same situation.