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Offline robleflaneur

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15675 on: July 21, 2018, 02:32:19 PM »
Agree with Old Man Villa Fan's assessment .If,quite sensibly,you restrict Bruce's spending,then he becomes redundant,as he offers little in the way of tactical acumen or coaching,and it would be realistic to promote Agnew or Calderwood as a temporary and money saving solution.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15676 on: July 21, 2018, 02:43:14 PM »
I know it feels like longer, but Bruce hasn't even been here two calendar years yet.

The football has -for the most part- been unsatisfactory. But it's hard to argue we haven't made progress in that time. Both in terms of results and attacking intent.

Now he faces the biggest test on the job, but he's (just about) earned the right for a crack at it.

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15677 on: July 21, 2018, 04:46:48 PM »
I know it feels like longer, but Bruce hasn't even been here two calendar years yet.

The football has -for the most part- been unsatisfactory. But it's hard to argue we haven't made progress in that time. Both in terms of results and attacking intent.

Now he faces the biggest test on the job, but he's (just about) earned the right for a crack at it.

Sorry but how has he earned the right for a crack at it.

We were relegated from the PL and heading in the wrong direction. We have turned around and now heading in the right direction. How much of that is due to the transfer dealings in and out done by RDM and how much is due to Bruce is hard to allocate. From a financial point of view, has Bruce improved it or added to the problems. Should Bruce have done more with the time and money he has been given.

Far from earning the right, I think he is very lucky to be still in the job.

Offline LeeB

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15678 on: July 21, 2018, 04:55:58 PM »
I know it feels like longer, but Bruce hasn't even been here two calendar years yet.

The football has -for the most part- been unsatisfactory. But it's hard to argue we haven't made progress in that time. Both in terms of results and attacking intent.

Now he faces the biggest test on the job, but he's (just about) earned the right for a crack at it.

Sorry but how has he earned the right for a crack at it.

We were relegated from the PL and heading in the wrong direction. We have turned around and now heading in the right direction. How much of that is due to the transfer dealings in and out done by RDM and how much is due to Bruce is hard to allocate. From a financial point of view, has Bruce improved it or added to the problems. Should Bruce have done more with the time and money he has been given.

Far from earning the right, I think he is very lucky to be still in the job.

Err, I’d say absolutely bugger all of the turnaround can be attributed to RDM, we were still on the slide and he just put his foot on the accelerator.

You can say what you want about Bruce and the quality of football or his purchases, but he deserves the credit for us not being a laughing stock on the pitch.

Offline JUAN PABLO

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15679 on: July 21, 2018, 05:02:59 PM »

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15680 on: July 21, 2018, 05:03:06 PM »
It doesn't matter who signed the players in the squad, Bruce improved them last season.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15681 on: July 21, 2018, 05:23:00 PM »
I know it feels like longer, but Bruce hasn't even been here two calendar years yet.

The football has -for the most part- been unsatisfactory. But it's hard to argue we haven't made progress in that time. Both in terms of results and attacking intent.

Now he faces the biggest test on the job, but he's (just about) earned the right for a crack at it.
He has earned the right to be sacked.

Offline kippaxvilla2

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15682 on: July 21, 2018, 05:49:56 PM »
STEVE BRUCE POST BURTON: ALL transfers on hold until he meets new owners on Tuesday. No one will go out on the cheap. He wants to carry on as manager and admitted 'everyone was for sale' until yesterday! #avfc
5:08 PM - Jul 21, 2018

Offline supertom

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15683 on: July 21, 2018, 07:02:04 PM »
We're still likely to sell Grealish, probably Chester and probably Kodjia. The new investment means at least that we'll be able to actually make some signings. Likely frees, but this is where I'd like to see a change of management now. Under previous circumstances, getting rid of Bruce would have been foolish. Now that we can at least (hopefully) balance the books and not have the threat of administration hanging over us, I think we need a manager with more forward thinking ideals, more tactical nous and most importantly, someone who is going to make the best of our youth academy. The key to our success will be bringing Green, O'Hare, RHM and more through, along with trusted seniors who remain like Jedi, Hutton etc.

Bruce doesn't build for the future. The Champ sides who tend to do well, go up and have a good impact once they're up, all build a young, fresh side and have a core group of players who've developed at the club over 3-4 years. We've bought too many over the hill players over the years with short term thinking. We've wasted 2 Championship years, and we've only really seen Grealish step up (in the last 6 months), Davis break in, and to a lesser extent, Green had some moments. But we've got to trust more of these youngsters, and sooner. If we were in the Prem, we'd be loaning them to this division. We're not. We're here. Use them and then we'll be a far better side in 2-3 years time. We know that spunking 50 million in this league on big players approaching or in their 30's, doesn't work. Build for the future now, regardless of whether that's EFL or EPL. Bruce won't do that.

Offline robleflaneur

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15684 on: July 21, 2018, 07:12:10 PM »
It doesn't matter who signed the players in the squad, Bruce improved them last season.
Only by signing Grabban,Terry ,Snodgrass and Whelan for big wages in addition to what was already there.
The only improvement was a fitter and a more mature Grealish with fleeting glimpses of Davis.

Offline villa `cross the mersey

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15685 on: July 21, 2018, 07:59:51 PM »
My one concern with relying on youth right now is that many of them appear to be "made of glass "  picking up recurring injuries which hardly bodes well for a tough season ahead of them - hopefully this can be remedied with appropriate fitness training and recuperation breaks where necessary - the skills/talents are there they need to develop at a steady rate

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15686 on: July 21, 2018, 08:16:13 PM »
I know it feels like longer, but Bruce hasn't even been here two calendar years yet.

The football has -for the most part- been unsatisfactory. But it's hard to argue we haven't made progress in that time. Both in terms of results and attacking intent.

Now he faces the biggest test on the job, but he's (just about) earned the right for a crack at it.

Sorry but how has he earned the right for a crack at it.

We were relegated from the PL and heading in the wrong direction. We have turned around and now heading in the right direction. How much of that is due to the transfer dealings in and out done by RDM and how much is due to Bruce is hard to allocate. From a financial point of view, has Bruce improved it or added to the problems. Should Bruce have done more with the time and money he has been given.

Far from earning the right, I think he is very lucky to be still in the job.

Err, I’d say absolutely bugger all of the turnaround can be attributed to RDM, we were still on the slide and he just put his foot on the accelerator.

You can say what you want about Bruce and the quality of football or his purchases, but he deserves the credit for us not being a laughing stock on the pitch.

I said players in and out. Many of the players he bought have been the better ones over the last two years so I am saying some of the turn around has been due to this.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15687 on: July 21, 2018, 10:41:16 PM »
My thoughts on Bruce - in the aftermath of Wembley absolutely wanted him gone because he has failed massively, the play offs was not the target it was top 2 minimum, Champions in reality.

When the financial cack hit the fan I relented my opinion and though I was concerned about his competence to effectively use our younger players was prepared to stick for a bit of continuity.

Now however we have the chance to get shot of him and get in a coach who wants to encourage better and more positive football, I 100% hope this happens, if it doesn’t of course I will get behind Bruce but will definitely see it as an opportunity wasted.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15688 on: July 21, 2018, 11:05:25 PM »
I don't like Bruce's football, I think he's one of the last exponents of an antiquated form of football management and that every season that passes, his style recedes further into the past.

However, he got us 90 minutes from promotion.

I am not suggesting he is any sort of genius or messiah for having done that and yes, he failed in his primary objective, but whilst I agree with the sentiment of many in terms of having reasonable cause in wanting him replaced, to listen to some on here, you'd think he'd just managed to keep us up.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #15689 on: July 21, 2018, 11:23:10 PM »
However, he got us 90 minutes from promotion.
Or he failed twice. Didn't make automatic and then put up an abject performance in the one match where he had a chance to go for  broke.

 


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