Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[AsTallAsLions]

Trying something that a majority of people would have considered prudent at the time and failing, versus doing nothing and failing ...

It's no contest for me. You want a manager who is dynamic, who is willing to make the changes that need to be made.

He's had no problem at all exiling McCormack to the wilderness for the remainder of his expensive contract for failing to show up to training, surely he could have had the balls to bench a few players to avoid them burning out completely.

But he didn't, and they did, and the whole season was a write-off as a result, along with everything we've been trying to build since May/June 2016.

[Clark W Griswold]

Who's to say that he'd made the changes and we'd still lost? People would be blaming him for changing a winning team, claiming we'd have won if he'd kept it the same.
The season was what it was, a near miss. Ultimately he didn't quite achieve it. He took us from near the relegation zone to mid table to 4th place in 20 months or so. If we'd still got the squad together maybe he'd now take us to top 2. Who knows.
He might be offloaded anyway if we get new owners but I liked what I saw against Walsall the other night. Not that I'm expecting it to be that easy most weeks of course.

[Ad@m]

It’s not as if football managers get paid millions for making difficult decisions or anything.

Exactly.

Of course he'd have got stick if he'd changed a winning side and we'd lost.  Just the same way he gets stick for not changing a winning side and us losing.

It's not the case that he can't win - he can win, by, you know, winning!

[sirlordbaltimore]

Who's to say that he'd made the changes and we'd still lost? People would be blaming him for changing a winning team, claiming we'd have won if he'd kept it the same.

Stop talking sense. You know Bruce can't win.

[AsTallAsLions]

Who's to say that he'd made the changes and we'd still lost? People would be blaming him for changing a winning team, claiming we'd have won if he'd kept it the same.
The season was what it was, a near miss. Ultimately he didn't quite achieve it. He took us from near the relegation zone to mid table to 4th place in 20 months or so. If we'd still got the squad together maybe he'd now take us to top 2. Who knows.
He might be offloaded anyway if we get new owners but I liked what I saw against Walsall the other night. Not that I'm expecting it to be that easy most weeks of course.

Walsall are muck and some of their players were trialists. It's not even worth implying that the football we played the other night would permeate through to our league performances in any way, shape or form.

[Clark W Griswold]

Yeah, I'm with you, but it was nicer to see us stroke the ball around like Brazil 70 (well not quite) than get bogged down into some none football scrummage against Walsall like some pre seasons. It was positive is all I'm saying, on to the next one and all that.

[AsTallAsLions]

Yeah, I'm with you, but it was nicer to see us stroke the ball around like Brazil 70 (well not quite) than get bogged down into some none football scrummage against Walsall like some pre seasons. It was positive is all I'm saying, on to the next one and all that.

We can agree on that indeed

[paul_e]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

[AsTallAsLions]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

Exactly Paul, that's where I was trying to come from. We can't think of pre-season as anything other than warm-ups and a run-out for the lads. Clever managers will also use it to experiment with formations and tactics. Beyond that, the games mean nothing until the points start going on the board (or not, as the case may be... let's see).

[Mister E]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

well, apart from losing to Shrewsbury in the (opening?) game …. :-)

[john e]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

well, apart from losing to Shrewsbury in the (opening?) game …. :-)

so did Wolves

[PeterWithesShin]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

A lot of the early stick Bruce got last season that led to the "hysteria" was that we looked pretty crap in pre-season, and carried on looking that way when the season started.

[paul_e]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

A lot of the early stick Bruce got last season that led to the "hysteria" was that we looked pretty crap in pre-season, and carried on looking that way when the season started.

I'd actually forgotten about the Shrewsbury game and was thinking of the fairly free flowing games against kidderminster and telford and then the 2 decent performances away in Germany.

[Matt Collins]

I agree with both, but the issue is we played well last summer as well, but it made almost no difference once Hull scored on the first weekend.

Last pre season this site was full of people moaning about our lack of goal threat and estimating we'd finish mid table

[Phil from the upper holte]

I'd keep Bruce now. I did say I'd sack him but in all this madness a bit of what you know might be what we need