Aston Villa v Ipswich Town Post-Match Thread

[kippaxvilla2]

At least Holloways pre season prediction looks spot on.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

At least Holloways pre season prediction looks spot on.

You're not helping, Kippax.

[four fornicholl]

The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).

Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.

Nothing wrong with the club?

We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.

We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!

That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...

The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.

Rotten to the core.

what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.

Good point on the speed of change, walk before you can run and all that?

[AvFc4eVeR]

The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).

Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.

Nothing wrong with the club?

We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.

We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!

That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...

The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.

Rotten to the core.

what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.

Sigh.

Did you even read my post?

[Toronto Villa]

The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).

Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.

Nothing wrong with the club?

We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.

We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!

That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...

The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.

Rotten to the core.

what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.

Sigh.

Did you even read my post?

Yes I did. Rotten to the core made no sense whatsoever and in most cases entirely contradicts the points you were trying to make. The fact that our owner went out and appointed football executives and bought players to change our fortunes as quickly as possible suggests the club isn't rotten to the core at all.

[Tony Erdington]

we certainly aint a team at the moment, training ground tomorrow me thinks, because we are a team of individuals, I thought the problem was the midfield when we had westy and gard but theres no steel Lansbury has a great eye for a pass and I hope the other new players can over the coming weeks give performances like him.

[Skerra]

People were correct when they said SB was the man that would get us out of this division. I'm definately a convert now so have started to look up who our local derbies will be against next season. Walsall and Shrewsbury look good for starters!!!

Still looking for that elusive team we are going to give a hammering to soon!!

[passport1]

When we are top five in Europe we will look back at these days and laugh.

[Tayls_7]

When we are top five in Europe we will look back at these days and laugh.

The agony being that comment seem so facile.

So pissed off today. I want to be objective. I think Bruce needs time and support. We chop and change far too often. We supposedly have quality players but we are continually mugged by shite opposition. We have no recognisable playing style because we just throw players together under a revolving door of new managers and demand performances. That's why team like fucking Brentford make u look like twats. Having said that, sooner rather than later the bloody prima donnas we seem to attract need to grow some balls. If there isn't a ruck in our changing room this evening then it isn't right. They don't need tummy tickiling, they need a bloody rocket to see who'll stand up.

[CJ]

Fucking cold and fucking fed up with what's masquerading as football at Villa Park. Bruce got the line up wrong today - setting aside the  rights and wrongs of 3 CB's + wing backs, if he plays that system surely Bacuna and Amavi are better options than Hutton and Taylor, then when it's clear it isn't working he does nothing to change it until it's too late. Of course it doesn't help that you've got 10 individual players who only meet up in the tunnel on matchdays, they sure as shit don't look like they're coached as anything like a team in between times. Before the season I said I was looking forward to walking across Aston Park in expectation of seeing us play decent football against poorer teams and actually winning games; now it's exactly the same as it felt last season - a trudge expecting nothing worth watching. There's something really rotten at Villa and I don't know what it is - new owner, new  board, new structure, new manager, new coaching staff, money for the manager to buy players - but we seem to buy the best midfielders/strikers in the division and turn them to shit. We're nearer the drop than reaching the play-offs now, and although I don't think either will happen, I'm really pissed off with it all right now

[Salsa Party Animal]

Not good, I am wondering what Dr Tony thinking about now. Stick with him or change manager.

[Tugby Villain]

We're shit.  Bruce has made no difference now the bounce is over.  We could easily go down now,

[mr underhill]

Wharburton or Rowett? Both out of a job no compensation, short term contract until the end of the season. At the very least we'd get a ded cat bounce which might be enough to keep us up

[AvFc4eVeR]

The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).

Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.

Nothing wrong with the club?

We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.

We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!

That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...

The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.

Rotten to the core.

what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.

Sigh.

Did you even read my post?

Yes I did. Rotten to the core made no sense whatsoever and in most cases entirely contradicts the points you were trying to make. The fact that our owner went out and appointed football executives and bought players to change our fortunes as quickly as possible suggests the club isn't rotten to the core at all.

I will admit that my comment of rotten to the core was a little direction-less.

I was not aiming that at the club, it was aimed at money corrupting the players we have 'invested' in to get us out of this mess.

We need to develop what we have rather than spunking money at every player we see. What has happened to our academy? Where are our youth players?

The likes of Clark and Bannan are proof we can develop successful players at this level, who will never get a chance.

Our turnover of players in the last twelve months coupled with the frequent manager merry go round means Aston Villa has lost its identity.

I hope we find it soon. As soon there will be no more money to spunk.

[lukey27]

Puzzling afternoon again at Villa Park.

We're a million miles away from being a coherent team. The performances haven't been much better than the team away, so it's no real surprise that the results are now following.

Few observations, 3 at the back is pointless if you play two full backs who don't play 20 yards further forward and stretch the game.

Essentially it was a flat back 5 first half and with Lansbury almost on top of Elphick we had 6 players deep in our own half when trying to build attacks. Invariably we went long too often and gave it away.

Why make it difficult for the players and play them in positions they've never played before.

We need to either coach our wider players to  become wingbacks or get back to playing a flat back four and getting the best out of the midfield and forward players.

Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.