BBC report club sacked a scout accused of sexual abuse 1988 but didn't report it

[Chris Jameson]

There are too many people moralising with hindsight and 2017 sensibilities and don't have the level of understanding that nearly 50 years brings. These people are either, very young, very naive, or just being dishonest.

55, not naïve, have used the words nonce and mental though.

55 and never said;

Paki shop?
Chinky?
Spastic?
Retarded?
Queer?

Never told or laughed at a racist joke?

Never joined in with a racist/homophobic song at Villa Park?

Never patted/pinched a girls bum?

Where did you grow up?

The north. We're not all sexist, racist dickheads.

[Matt Collins]

I think I've lost track of the debate. Are we conflating a teenager using the word spastic with people in authority covering up sexual abuse of children?

[Villa75]

There are too many people moralising with hindsight and 2017 sensibilities and don't have the level of understanding that nearly 50 years brings. These people are either, very young, very naive, or just being dishonest.

55, not naïve, have used the words nonce and mental though.

55 and never said;

Paki shop?
Chinky?
Spastic?
Retarded?
Queer?

Never told or laughed at a racist joke?

Never joined in with a racist/homophobic song at Villa Park?

Never patted/pinched a girls bum?

Where did you grow up?

The north. We're not all sexist, racist dickheads.

You're from the North. 55 years old. Yet never ever said or done any of the things I listed?

When you say "North", was it an island off Scotland with just you and your parents living on it?

[Villa75]

I think I've lost track of the debate. Are we conflating a teenager using the word spastic with people in authority covering up sexual abuse of children?

No. Is the short answer, as you obviously don't have the time to read the last few pages.

[Matt Collins]

Good, thanks!

[Dave]

If you're not him, you're still using the same arguments as someone who was banned for being an arse. That doesn't put you in good company.

He's not quite. A previous poster said that John Terry saying something racist isn't a  problem because everyone says racist things now and again.

That's not the same argument as saying "thirty years ago (some*) people held different standards to ones that are held today"

And that in turn isn't the same as saying "different standards in the past means turning a blind eye to child abuse back then was an okay thing to do".

* however assuming that everyone else automatically held those same standards is where I feel he has overstepped things.

[Villa75]

Not everybody Dave. I mean, of all the people that frequent here, I seem to be the only one that used language I described earlier, even in 'a jokey way', or patted a girls bum during the whole of the 70's and 80's*.

(*I would a!so add that I have had my bum squeezed on numerous occasions during my younger years, by women known and unknown to me.)

[dave.woodhall]

There are too many people moralising with hindsight and 2017 sensibilities and don't have the level of understanding that nearly 50 years brings. These people are either, very young, very naive, or just being dishonest.

55, not naïve, have used the words nonce and mental though.

55 and never said;

Paki shop?
Chinky?
Spastic?
Retarded?
Queer?

Never told or laughed at a racist joke?

Never joined in with a racist/homophobic song at Villa Park?

Never patted/pinched a girls bum?

Where did you grow up?

The north. We're not all sexist, racist dickheads.

You're from the North. 55 years old. Yet never ever said or done any of the things I listed?

When you say "North", was it an island off Scotland with just you and your parents living on it?

If you're going to continue to insult posters could you please do it somewhere else? Thank you.

[Villa75]

There are too many people moralising with hindsight and 2017 sensibilities and don't have the level of understanding that nearly 50 years brings. These people are either, very young, very naive, or just being dishonest.

55, not naïve, have used the words nonce and mental though.

55 and never said;

Paki shop?
Chinky?
Spastic?
Retarded?
Queer?

Never told or laughed at a racist joke?

Never joined in with a racist/homophobic song at Villa Park?

Never patted/pinched a girls bum?

Where did you grow up?

The north. We're not all sexist, racist dickheads.

You're from the North. 55 years old. Yet never ever said or done any of the things I listed?

When you say "North", was it an island off Scotland with just you and your parents living on it?

If you're going to continue to insult posters could you please do it somewhere else? Thank you.

I don't think that's, by a long chalk, the most insulting thing on this thread but, as you're the boss, I am suitably admonished and apologise.

I am new here so it takes a while for me to work out exactly who is allowed to say what to whom. I hope you will give me further time to work that one out. Thanks.

[Chris Jameson]

*slaps arse and says cheer up darling might never happen*

Why is it so hard to believe that somebody has never pinched anybody's bum or called somebody a 'paki'? I blame my parents for such an upbringing.

[Villa75]

*slaps arse and says cheer up darling might never happen*

Why is it so hard to believe that somebody has never pinched anybody's bum or called somebody a 'paki'? I blame my parents for such an upbringing.

I didn't say "called anyone a paki". I said used the term, as in "let's go to the paki shop...".

Are those the only two on the long list you haven't done?

Also, I can believe 'somebody' may not of done any of the long list. What I can not believe is that, according to this thread, I'm the only person to have done any of them. Having stood on The Holte for over 30 years, and listened to the songs, that's laughable.

[Chris Jameson]

To be honest I don't give a flying fuck what you think but I hope you've found it all very cathartic, I heard the songs and the words and even saw girls getting hassled but it never occurred to me to follow.

I did buy an Osmonds and Bay City Rollers record and steal sweets from Woolworths whilst we are confessing to past misdemeanors

[Villa75]

To be honest I don't give a flying fuck what you think but I hope you've found it all very cathartic, I heard the songs and the words and even saw girls getting hassled but it never occurred to me to follow.

I did buy an Osmonds and Bay City Rollers record and steal sweets from Woolworths whilst we are confessing to past misdemeanors

Really?

Never told an Irish, Welsh, Scottish joke, or similar?
Never joined in with "We can see you holding hands" or "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" or similar at Villa Park?
Never said "shall we get a chinky?" or "shall we go to the Paki shop?" or similar?
etc., etc?

I'm not talking about recently, you understand. Never in your whole life?

If so, where have you people been? Do you all have vicars as fathers?

[Chris Jameson]

I did once call a girl a stupid fat cow if that makes you feel better and I may well have laughed at an joke involving a Scots man or Irish man but I've never been much good with 'jokes' but you do seem to keep moving the goalposts.

Think I was about 12 at the time. I'm obviously thoroughly ashamed of my actions.

[Villa75]

I did once call a girl a stupid fat cow if that makes you feel better and I may well have laughed at an joke involving a Scots man or Irish man but I've never been much good with 'jokes' but you do seem to keep moving the goalposts.

Think I was about 12 at the time. I'm obviously thoroughly ashamed of my actions.

I'm not moving the goalposts.

My original point was words and actions we thought were 'harmless' in the 70's and 80's are now considered 'racist', 'homophobic', etc. They were then, we just didn't think they were or purposely use them in that way. We were young and naive, often copying our elders.

Perhaps that's what's going on here. People are horrified at the thought they could ever be considered 'racist, etc. forgetting the jokes they told and the songs they sung, consciously or subconsciously.

I never called anyone a paki, chinky, etc. But I used the words in a different context.

I never insulted anyone directly due to their race, but I told and laughed at jokes that are now considered 'racist'.

I never harassed anyone due to their sexual orientation, but I called my mates 'poofs', 'queers', etc.

I'm amazed so many of you of a similar age and class experienced such a completely different way of life.