Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread

[Leicester_Villian]

How many of the anti Westwood brigade were actually at the game last night? Reading 16 pages of posts there is little praise of a player who had a good game last night
He retained the ball .... we commented where we were sat that in the first 10 minutes he made about 6 passes to other Villa players whereas Gardner simply gives it away
When players have good games lets give praise rather than just because he was on the pitch state he was poor

Exactly the same comments apply to Hutton ...not the most talented but I don't believe he had a poor game last night either

Lets be fair on the players !

[Clampy]

I'm not a fan of Westwood at all but he was ok last night. He's still not good enough though.

[PeterWithesShin]

Most people have said Westwood was decent last night, as was Hutton apart from his crossing which was truly awful.

[PaulWinch again]

Westwood was decent. It's unfortunate that Jedinak was awful and therefore the impact was counteracted. If Westwood can perform like that and add a bit more incision to his play he'd be useful.

[Clampy]

Westwood was decent. It's unfortunate that Jedinak was awful and therefore the impact was counteracted. If Westwood can perform like that and add a bit more incision to his play he'd be useful.

That's the problem though. He has a decent game every now and again but ultimately, he's not good enough.

[saunders_heroes]

What does Grealish do? Genuine question. What position is he meant to be playing? He creates barely anything and has very little impact on most games. Hugely overrated because he's a Villa fan.

He's about the only player with genuine attacking class at the club.

With one assist all season

What about the goals he's scored and the penalties he's won, or the fact he can hold onto the ball when most of our other players give it away for fun. Like it or not he has genuine talent which can only get better.
Yeah, feck that, let's sell him.

[paul_e]

Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

Probably because it's Steve Bruce and no, neither can I.

We very nearly lost a game that we needed to win to really push into the play off mix and you can't see any reason to think we missed out?  Against the same team a few weeks back we put in a performance as bad as any from the last 5-6years that you're all so mindful of and complaining about that wasn't fair either.  If we don't get promotion this season it will it be nothing to do with Bruce because he didn't get the full season and didn't pick every player?  I didn't want Bruce because I knew a lot of games would go this way where we played for the draw and then hoped for something special to turn it into a win, it's the same approach that McLeish had and yet because we're a league lower I'm supposed to now think it's brilliant and rosey and be all happy clappy about watching us play some of the most tedious football in the league?

[Tayls_7]

Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

Probably because it's Steve Bruce and no, neither can I.

We very nearly lost a game that we needed to win to really push into the play off mix and you can't see any reason to think we missed out?  Against the same team a few weeks back we put in a performance as bad as any from the last 5-6years that you're all so mindful of and complaining about that wasn't fair either.  If we don't get promotion this season it will it be nothing to do with Bruce because he didn't get the full season and didn't pick every player?  I didn't want Bruce because I knew a lot of games would go this way where we played for the draw and then hoped for something special to turn it into a win, it's the same approach that McLeish had and yet because we're a league lower I'm supposed to now think it's brilliant and rosey and be all happy clappy about watching us play some of the most tedious football in the league?

As Mr.Bruce rightly acknowledges, you don't go from terminal velocity shit to scintillating in one step. Suck it up.

[Clampy]

Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

Probably because it's Steve Bruce and no, neither can I.

We very nearly lost a game that we needed to win to really push into the play off mix and you can't see any reason to think we missed out?  Against the same team a few weeks back we put in a performance as bad as any from the last 5-6years that you're all so mindful of and complaining about that wasn't fair either.  If we don't get promotion this season it will it be nothing to do with Bruce because he didn't get the full season and didn't pick every player?  I didn't want Bruce because I knew a lot of games would go this way where we played for the draw and then hoped for something special to turn it into a win, it's the same approach that McLeish had and yet because we're a league lower I'm supposed to now think it's brilliant and rosey and be all happy clappy about watching us play some of the most tedious football in the league?

I think you've just confirmed what I said, thank you.

[PeterWithesShin]

No one is saying to be 'happy clappy' and act like we've turned into a hybrid of Barcelona and Brazil '70, just that some don't seem to want to enjoy winning more often than not, mainly because it's Steve Bruce. Which after 5 years of utter shit and rarely winning seems a bit weird to me.

[West Derby Villan]

No one is saying to be 'happy clappy' and act like we've turned into a hybrid of Barcelona and Brazil '70, just that some don't seem to want to enjoy winning more often than not, mainly because it's Steve Bruce. Which after 5 years of utter shit and rarely winning seems a bit weird to me.

And me

[paul_e]

Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

Probably because it's Steve Bruce and no, neither can I.

We very nearly lost a game that we needed to win to really push into the play off mix and you can't see any reason to think we missed out?  Against the same team a few weeks back we put in a performance as bad as any from the last 5-6years that you're all so mindful of and complaining about that wasn't fair either.  If we don't get promotion this season it will it be nothing to do with Bruce because he didn't get the full season and didn't pick every player?  I didn't want Bruce because I knew a lot of games would go this way where we played for the draw and then hoped for something special to turn it into a win, it's the same approach that McLeish had and yet because we're a league lower I'm supposed to now think it's brilliant and rosey and be all happy clappy about watching us play some of the most tedious football in the league?

I think you've just confirmed what I said, thank you.

So you think my criticism of us not commiting players to attack and not putting teams under pressure is purely because it's Bruce and has absolutely no grounding in our performances?  Why don't you just outright accuse me of not liking him because he's ex-blues and get it over with, I know it's bullshit, but if it makes you feel a little happier about something just get it out of the way.

Moving on, I'm not happy that we're about the worst team to watch in a league full of teams that cost less than 5% of what we spent but apparently I should be grateful because all of that money was wasted and we've got a shit squad that can't outplay Burton fucking Albion.  I don't believe that, I refuse to because, as Gana has shown with his performances under a decent manager we've had players capable of competing but we've had bad managers who haven't been able to get anything like the sum of their parts out of the squad.  I don't think Bruce is getting value from it either but, asI've said repeatedly, the results are good enough up til now for him to earn the opportunity to try to improve things and maybe if he can get a couple of players that can link things together he can do that but refusing to hear a bad word against him after some of the performances in the last month is just weird.

No one is saying to be 'happy clappy' and act like we've turned into a hybrid of Barcelona and Brazil '70, just that some don't seem to want to enjoy winning more often than not, mainly because it's Steve Bruce. Which after 5 years of utter shit and rarely winning seems a bit weird to me.

Yes they are, that's the problem, I pointed out what I saw as a tactical flaw from the game where we were totally on top and by our own actions we let them back into the game to the point where they went ahead and were inches away from putting us to bed before Bruce reacted.  That's fair criticism and yet a few people refuse to even acknowledge it as such.


Utter shit but winning is a step up from utter shit and not winning but it's not a state I want to stay at for long and the last few weeks have just backed up my opinion that Bruce is more than happy for this to be our style.  Let's see who he buys, if he focuses on a striker and goalkeeper as I suspect he's going to then it's just a sign that he sees nothing wrong with the complete lack of control we have in midfield.  I think we'll get a midfielder but I suspect it will be someone a lot more similar to Jedinak than we want.

[The Edge]

Westwood was decent. It's unfortunate that Jedinak was awful and therefore the impact was counteracted. If Westwood can perform like that and add a bit more incision to his play he'd be useful.

That's the problem though. He has a decent game every now and again but ultimately, he's not good enough.

That pretty much sums it up.

[The Edge]

No one is saying to be 'happy clappy' and act like we've turned into a hybrid of Barcelona and Brazil '70, just that some don't seem to want to enjoy winning more often than not, mainly because it's Steve Bruce. Which after 5 years of utter shit and rarely winning seems a bit weird to me.

And me

And me

[Rudy65]

What does Grealish do? Genuine question. What position is he meant to be playing? He creates barely anything and has very little impact on most games. Hugely overrated because he's a Villa fan.

He's about the only player with genuine attacking class at the club.

With one assist all season

What about the goals he's scored and the penalties he's won, or the fact he can hold onto the ball when most of our other players give it away for fun. Like it or not he has genuine talent which can only get better.
Yeah, feck that, let's sell him.

Didnt say we should sell him. Just think he is average and inconsistent