Jonathan Kodjia - SOLD

[TopDeck113]

Is this a Jonathan Kodjia thread?

All threads must eventually via spectacularly off topic, head down cul-de-sacs or rake-over old ground.  Thems the unwritten forum rules.

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And if you want to talk about Kodjia you could always talk about Kodjia. Sure beats moaning about why others aren't.

[eamonn]

Well, i for one had renewed hope once the final whistle went on the last day. We'd gone from bottom 6 to 9th within a couple of months and had a new striker in Darren Bent averaging more than a goal every 2 games. Obviously as the summer went on hope turned to despair as we appointed McLeish as manager, sold Young and Downing and replaced them with an injury prone loanee Jenas and a (to put it mildly) less than enthusiastic Charles Nzogbia who looked as though he must have had a gun pointed at his head when he signed his contract. We also offloaded a 40 year old Friedel and replaced him with a 35 year old Given on a 3 year deal and a massive salary. This really was the start of our problems.

Worse than that, Given's was a five year contract. I read the bits in his book about his time at Villa in a bookshop while waiting for a train home a few months back. Had a couple of good stories about his time at Villa and was pretty respectful to us - if memory serves though, he mentioned Liverpool coming in for him at some stage - may have been even after Guzan had replaced him as Villa's number one, but we wouldn't sell him and he felt hard done by as he had done previously in his career when Newcastle wouldn't let him move to Arsenal.

Back to Kodjia - encouraging that he looked bright yesterday. Hopefully he'll either hit the ground running and be banging them in for us this season or we manage to sell him for good money. I'd rather keep Chester before Jimmy Danger if it came down to either/or.

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Pointless selling Kodjia for FFP balancing.

[eamonn]

No more than Chester for £5m/£7m.

[Brassneck]

We have to raise £40 million.

Realistically, all 3 need to be sold.

I'm expecting all 3 to go and anything else will be a bonus to me.

I felt the same when we were relegated about certain players. The difference then was that we had a war chest in order to bring in replacements.

[Ads]

It's closer to £30m than £40m isn't it following £8.5m going off the books with Terry, Grabban, Snoddy, Johnstone and Gabby departing.

If Jack goes then it will be £20m plus, so you'd hope we could keep hold of 2 out of 3 if possible, especially as their sales wont make a dent on FFP anyway.

[Risso]

It’s not just FFP but cash flow, which is still obviously in poor shape.

[Brassneck]

I don't understand how their sales won't make a dent?

If Kodjia goes for 10 mil then surely that's a10 mil dent into FFP? Likewise with Chester for 7 mil.

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We signed him for £12m so you take into account purchase price and amortization when considering your loss or gain for FFP.

[Steve67]

FFP is an FA/EPL money making machine. Restraint of trade bollocks. If you’ve got it and want to spend it, why not? Bournemouth really heavily punished with a crap fine! 

[Brassneck]

So we can get within the parameters but it won't count?

Surely it's the overall figure not each individual figure broken down?

Besides who is to argue that the deficit isn't the equivalent of a loan fee?

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Take McCormack

Signed for £12m over 4years.

His book value will be £6m, so if we sold him for £4 (which is about as good as we could possibly hope) we'd make a loss and add to the FFP deficit, before wages.

His wages would save us £2m p/a but we'd end up like subsidising a million a year. So the deal would be just about, breaking even for FFP.

Best players to sell are home grown with no acquisition costs or players with low acquisition costs like Angela, Hourihane and Thor who were circa a £3m, £1.5m and £2m.

[Brassneck]

Based on the previous 2 years, we are projected to be foul of FFP by£45 million.

If we sold RM for £4 million, that is £4 million off the £45 million.  It doesn't matter what we paid for him.  If we have to pay half of his wages (£2 million over 2 years) it would still mean another million chalked off the overall £45 million target for this year.  Next year wouldn't be as difficult because the first years spending would fall out of the 3 year cycle.

Selling any player helps us at this particular time, irrelevant to what we originally paid for him.

[Ads]

No it wouldn't, as his value is currently £6m on the book so we would make a £2m loss on his disposal at an optimistic £4m before wages. Wages count as well, but nobody is going to pay £40k per week to McCormack, so we'd end up subsidisng at least half.

We've made savings in wages of £8.5m at least. If you were looking for 3 to sell it would be Jack, Davis and Green as you'd take in £30m plus for all 3 and be left at the lower end of a scaled fine.