BBC Sports Personality Of The Year

[Risso]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

It basically is, though. Same as ice skating, which is also not a proper sport.

You must only be thinking of the floor routine then.  Vault, uneven bars and beam all take a lot of strength not to mention skill.

We'll said. Some people on here haven't a clue thinking it's just dancing!

One person has made that claim.  Others have said that there's an element of opinion to the judging, that's all.

[Tayls_7]

I'm ok with Murray winning. I like him personally. He is humorous without pandering to that statutory showbiz bollox. He works his tits off all year around, not just for a couple of events per year.

Mo Farah is an incredible athlete but has all the personality of a cardboard box.

The show was cringeworthy in places. Nick Skelton? Who? Does the Queen's vote have more sway?

Bold bit - do you believe Brownlee, Farah and Trott (in particular) could be the dominant forces they are if they didn't work their tits off just as much?

There's a subtle difference between having to step up and prove yourself in a competitive arena week in week out compared to how Olympians justify their endeavours. Murray was never out of the news reports for all the right reasons for which he thoroughly deserves the accolade. So, in summary, yes the is a difference.

ok so we can write off anyone who isn't an f1 driver or a rugby, football, cricket or tennis player then? All those other people training for 4 years for the 1 event that gets them global coverage don't deserve recognition for that because we don't hear about their efforts enough?  Really?

Of course not but in this instance it is a valid factor in the argument for Murray being awarded the trophy over other contenders.

No, it can't be, because if it is what it actually means is that if someone from one of those sports has a good year the minority sports get ignored. In a year where we have our most successful olympics ever it feels wrong to dismiss people because all they did was have a brilliant olympics.  I know that's not exactly what you're saying but you are leaning towards it.

I wouldn't use it to argue that Buster Mottram was more deserving than Daley Thompson but in the case of this year's two most deserving athletes in Farah and Murray, both of  whom are at the pinnacle of their sports I'd use it as a valid factor. Plus if I'm being bitchy, Murray doesn't usually have space in his diary to turn up on dross celebrity  shows biting his medals (not a euphemism) and making pals with cock jockeys like James Cordon.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Isn't Buster Mottram some kind of dribbling Nazi lunatic these days? Or is that Tim Henmam?

[Dave Cooper please]

Isn't Buster Mottram some kind of dribbling Nazi lunatic these days? Or is that Tim Henmam?

No it's Mottram, he was actually expelled from UKIP for being too right-wing.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Isn't Buster Mottram some kind of dribbling Nazi lunatic these days? Or is that Tim Henmam?

No it's Mottram, he was actually expelled from UKIP for being too right-wing.

Oh I say!

[rob_bridge]

I think Peaty deserved it on merit.  He utterly smote the field and the relay team would never have got a medal without him.

Murray is fortunate that tennis is very high profile, he has no UK competition unlike say cyclists and qualifies every year on the list whereas many are limited to Olympic years only. That said, he is a great tennis player though.
Farah is similar but both still have things missing from their locker.

Murray still has career slam and Mo needs a World Record to cement legacy

[paul_e]

Farah will never get a world record because running it at world record pace doesn't suit his racing style, he actively slows the races down where he can to give his last lap more impact.

[cdbearsfan]

Agreed. Neither Murray or Farrah need to do anything else to cement their legacy. Two all-time greats.

[Villafirst]

Farah will never get a world record because running it at world record pace doesn't suit his racing style, he actively slows the races down where he can to give his last lap more impact.

In a recent interview he hinted at an attempt at a world record in 2017. This will be his last year on the track before moving to the road to run half and the full Marathon distances. But, in my opinion age might prevent him setting any world records. Will be interesting though.

[manic-road]

 Just seen the sports personality of the year contenders for 2017, Johanna Konta nominated for getting to a semi final of a major tennis tournament....

These are all of the contenders:
Elise Christie - Short Track Speed Skating; Sir Mo Farah - Athletics, Chris Froome - Cycling, Lewis Hamilton - F1, Anthony Joshua - Boxing, Harry Kane - Football
Johanna Konta - Tennis, Jonnie Peacock - Para-athletics, Adam Peaty - Swimming, Jonathan Rea - Motorcycling, Anya Shrubsole - Cricket, Bianca Walkden - Taekwondo

For me it would be either Mo Farah, Adam Peaty or Chris Froome

[Ad@m]

Joshua's nailed on for it this year.

[manic-road]

He certainly has a chance after beating Wladimir Klitschko, but does having only two fights this year make him favourite. He certainly has a personality.

[wittonwarrior]

Would like to see Chris Frome win it, if only to stuff them snide remarks up the throats of certain people.

Adam Peaty - great swimmer but not sure as to why he is in the 12 this year.

Mo Farah - he's won enough

Lewis Hamilton - if he gets one vote then it is one vote too many

Based on his persona alone then Anthony Joshua must surely win

Harry Kane - again had a good 2017 but his stock may be greater next year if he has  a good world cup

As for the others not big enough to seriously challenge

[SteveN]

On 2017 achievments alone Froome followed by Hamilton and Joshua for me. Thought Peaty should have won in 2016.

[paul_e]

Would like to see Chris Frome win it, if only to stuff them snide remarks up the throats of certain people.

Adam Peaty - great swimmer but not sure as to why he is in the 12 this year.

Mo Farah - he's won enough

Lewis Hamilton - if he gets one vote then it is one vote too many

Based on his persona alone then Anthony Joshua must surely win

Harry Kane - again had a good 2017 but his stock may be greater next year if he has  a good world cup

As for the others not big enough to seriously challenge

Peaty, 2 more world records, retained his titles in 50m and 100m in the world championships and got an MBE. - He probably should've won it last year but for the bizarre obsession with tennis that people seem to have when it comes to this.

Joshua is a fair shout, he's proving himself at the very pinnacle of the sport but I think he might be in with a better shout next year as he'll have had the chance to unify the titles by then and you have to suspect that it'd take Kane scoring a hat-trick to win the world cup final to outstrip that.

On the subject of next year, keep an eye out for Jess Breach for that, she's something very very special and even though Canada were outclassed 11 tries in your first 2 internationals (as a 20 year old) is impressive.  She has well over a try a game as her record at all levels and her pace and footwork is light years ahead of the womens game, she's comfortably the best back I've ever seen in women's rugby.