Tony's Tweets

[dave.woodhall]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

[cheltenhamlion]

The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.

Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.

You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.

You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

So you despise a well meaning fucking idiot, who at least spent bucket loads of his own cash to piss us off, yet have more time for a man who stole money from the club and essentially pissed on Tony Barton's grave? Righto.

[Steve67]

Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.

What a load of old cobblers!

Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?

I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.

What a load of old cobblers!

[Damo70]

I always thought Graham Turner was when the real damage was done to the team. McNeil was just not up to turning it around.

Apparently McNeil wasn't up for turning up every day for training. Graham Turner was like giving a kite flying specialist a Boeing 747 to fly.

As for Deadly and Randy (who both sound like American wrestlers), one took us from from Champions of Europe to relegation and back up to two trophies and two top flight runners up spots and then sold us to someone he felt could take the club forward, the other took us from PL strugglers to top six challengers, got bored and deserted us. Then remembered he actually still owned us so sold us. As a popularity contests it ranks up there with Small Heath/Smethwick or Piers Morgan/Katie Hopkins. But at a push I prefer Doug.

[saunders_heroes]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

[saunders_heroes]

Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.

What a load of old cobblers!

Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?

I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.

What a load of old cobblers!

That's my line!

[saunders_heroes]

The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.

Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.

You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.

You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

So you despise a well meaning fucking idiot, who at least spent bucket loads of his own cash to piss us off, yet have more time for a man who stole money from the club and essentially pissed on Tony Barton's grave? Righto.

Yeah he was well meaning, god bless him.

[dave.woodhall]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.

[Clampy]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.

[saunders_heroes]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.

1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.

[dave.woodhall]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.

1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.

Yes, getting beat 3-0 at home by Small Heath with their supporters celebrating on the pitch and watching a 0-0 draw with 8,455 others was sheer poetry.

[saunders_heroes]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.

Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.

[stuart445]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

That was just a blip with a shit manager.

It's not like we were perennial relegation strugglers under Ellis, something you can't say about Lerner. In fact for most of the time when we had a bad season we'd bounce back and follow it up with a decent one. With Lerner it was abject misery from 2010 onwards. Humiliating stuff.

not sure about that,  when I grew up I seem to remember there was a cycle of 3 to 4 years under Ellis,  first 2 or 3 years good followed by the last season fighting relegation manager was removed and the cycle started again.  Whereas Lerner crammed all the relegation fighting into 1 section.

I'm not a Lerner fan and neither am I a Ellis fan they were both appalling owners but for different reasons.

[Damo70]

Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.

You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?

Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.

Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.

1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.

Yes, getting beat 3-0 at home by Small Heath with their supporters celebrating on the pitch and watching a 0-0 draw with 8,455 others was sheer poetry.

That was 1986 wasn't it? Which in hindsight was a golden year compared to 1987.

[PeterWithesShin]

Losing 5-0 at home to Bradford in front of less than 5K was ace as well.

As I said, there were plenty of lows under both, and both were, ultimately shit.