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[Rudy Can't Fail]

"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.

A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?

I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone  a 'c***' in English.

Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..

True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.

Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?

Burro.

[Bad English]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

[Bad English]

"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.

A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?

I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone  a 'c***' in English.

Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..

True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.

Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?

Burro.

Cap de burro! (Catalan)

[Stirchley Villain]

"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.

A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?

I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone  a 'c***' in English.

Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..

True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.

Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?

Burro.

Bobo

[Drummond]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?

[Stirchley Villain]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?

[Risso]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

[Bad English]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?

In conclusion: Mourinho did not stub his toe; he directed his extremely offensive insult at Eva Carneiro. Now, if you want to carry on with the discussion, fine. However, I will be outside on a sunbed. :-)

[Stirchley Villain]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?

In conclusion: Mourinho did not stub his toe; he directed his extremely offensive insult at Eva Carneiro. Now, if you want to carry on with the discussion, fine. However, I will be outside on a sunbed. :-)

Ok. Apply some sun cream and hopefully it won't hurt like son of a bitch tomorrow 😉

[Pat McMahon]

If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.

A bit like MON, then?

That thought entered my head too

[peter w]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*

In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...

[Malandro]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?

I have the music in my head now.

[Drummond]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

Have you tried all those approaches then?

[in exile]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?

I have the music in my head now.

Is it part of the soundtrack to your life?

[Malandro]

Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.

Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?

I have the music in my head now.

Is it part of the soundtrack to your life?

I'll have to break it gently to my wife, its only fair.