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Offline wittonwarrior

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #300 on: April 01, 2019, 08:04:14 PM »
Must be an extremely hard thing to sit on that jury. Emotions say throw the book and all the jurors be influenced to some degree from past media commentaries. I am sure if the offences they are being tried on were not not serious they would have been found guilty but there will always be the flip side and given the time gap how do you decide

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #301 on: April 03, 2019, 12:25:36 PM »
A hung jury on Duckenfield.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #302 on: April 03, 2019, 12:29:51 PM »
Mackrell found guilty.  Failed to reach a verdict on Duckenfield.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #303 on: April 03, 2019, 03:19:10 PM »
Mackrell found guilty.  Failed to reach a verdict on Duckenfield.

Does that mean we are awaiting a sentence on Mackrell and looking at a retrial for Duckenfield?

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #304 on: April 03, 2019, 03:23:25 PM »
Sentence on Mackrell, the arguments for and against a retrial for Duckenfield are continuing in court.  I would be amazed if there isn't one mind.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #305 on: April 03, 2019, 06:24:22 PM »
BBC News suggesting Mackrell is only facing a fine. Ant McPartlin was fined £86,000 for drink driving. I am guessing we will find out how that compares with the fine for 96 people losing their lives.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #306 on: April 03, 2019, 11:37:38 PM »
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but how have the FA not faced any charges over Hillsborough?  Semi finals are 'their' games aren't they and am I right in thinking the ground had not got a safety certificate?  Along with the fact that there had been problem there in previous years, surely the FA had just as much responsibility as Sheffield Wednesday?

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #307 on: April 04, 2019, 10:58:11 AM »
BBC News suggesting Mackrell is only facing a fine. Ant McPartlin was fined £86,000 for drink driving. I am guessing we will find out how that compares with the fine for 96 people losing their lives.

You're not really comparing like with like with the offences, and the (record) fine was means tested and would've been a reflection of his massive salary, not the seriousness of the offence per se.

The Health & Safety Act offence Mackrell was convicted of was punishable only by a fine back when he committed it. Now it carries a two year maximum sentence. It's a bit confusing because he was tried for another offence which could've led to custody (not complying with the safety certificate), but that was dropped mid trial.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #308 on: April 04, 2019, 11:00:51 AM »
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but how have the FA not faced any charges over Hillsborough?  Semi finals are 'their' games aren't they and am I right in thinking the ground had not got a safety certificate?  Along with the fact that there had been problem there in previous years, surely the FA had just as much responsibility as Sheffield Wednesday?

The ground had a 'valid' safety certificate, but the jury heard evidence that it was outdated having been issued years before.

This all happened in the days before 'health and safety went mad'.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #309 on: April 10, 2019, 02:27:35 PM »
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but how have the FA not faced any charges over Hillsborough?  Semi finals are 'their' games aren't they and am I right in thinking the ground had not got a safety certificate?  Along with the fact that there had been problem there in previous years, surely the FA had just as much responsibility as Sheffield Wednesday?

The ground had a 'valid' safety certificate, but the jury heard evidence that it was outdated having been issued years before.

This all happened in the days before 'health and safety went mad'.

Again, I have to ask how the FA have not faced any charges if that was the case?

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #310 on: April 10, 2019, 03:21:17 PM »
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but how have the FA not faced any charges over Hillsborough?  Semi finals are 'their' games aren't they and am I right in thinking the ground had not got a safety certificate?  Along with the fact that there had been problem there in previous years, surely the FA had just as much responsibility as Sheffield Wednesday?

The ground had a 'valid' safety certificate, but the jury heard evidence that it was outdated having been issued years before.

This all happened in the days before 'health and safety went mad'.

Again, I have to ask how the FA have not faced any charges if that was the case?

Maybe there are laws in place now that weren't in situ back then.  I'm not legally qualified to state that but I offered it as a suggestion.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #311 on: April 14, 2019, 03:14:42 PM »
A friend of mine and published poet has penned this poem to mark the thirtieth anniversary.  Never forget - and never buy The Sun.

TWO TICKETS

Two tickets
For just twelve pounds.

Two tickets
For the match
For the semi final
For the excitement
And the dreams
And the glory
Of a 50/50 shot at the cup

Two tickets
For a boy and his Dad
Building memories together
In a far off city
A day on the train
With crisps and coke
To share the hopes
And dreams
Of another mighty double

Two tickets
Admittance
To the stand
To the terrace
With flags and scarves
And songs
And pies
To watch heroes
From posters on bedroom walls
Make their mark on history

Two tickets
To the noise
And the crowds
To the angry shouts
And the horses and batons
And whistles
And screams
To the constant push
And the inevitable crush
To climbing and scrambling
And the blind panic
Running from sights we can’t unsee.

Two tickets
To the pitch
To the chaos
And the struggle
To find help
On a field of endless confusion
To scavenged stretchers
And impromptu bandages
Underscored by a soundtrack
Of far off sirens

Two tickets
To watch broken men slumped
On a kerb
Devoid of emotion
Sobbing inside
Tears streaming away
As the adrenaline of crisis
Makes room for the
Unbelievable reality -
Their world turned upside down

Two tickets to the interviews
To the reporters
And the cameras
And the endless line
Of journalists
Asking questions
You can’t answer
To photos in the paper
And the quotes you didn’t say

Two tickets
To the crem
To the church
To ninety six orders of service
To ‘Ferry Cross The Mersey’
On a perpetual loop
An endless stream of memorial plaques
And candles lit in prayer

Two tickets
To the house in the street
With the curtains constantly closed
To seas of floral tributes
And the world’s eye
Watching you
Twenty four seven

Two tickets
To one more angry meeting
With fists
Pounded on tables
Newspapers angrily ripped in two
Mothers screaming at the TV
While making banners
And writing slogans on placards
Buckets shaken
For yet another fundraiser.

Two tickets
For the speeches
And the petitions
And the campaigns
And the years
And the years
And the years
Of shouting
Across a despatch box
From people who you’ve never met
And never ever
In a month of Sundays
Were ever there

Two tickets
To sleepless nights
And regular visits to the doctor
To pills
And prescriptions
And talking -
A lot of talking
And to never ever really
Explaining it to anyone

Two tickets
To the courtroom
To cross examination
To disbelief and scorn
At outright lies
To lawyers and barristers
And judges
To sharp suits and clever words
To false sorrow
And blinding injustice
To technicalities
And legal loopholes
Enquiries, hearings and trials

Two tickets.
Twelve Pounds.
Just six minutes of football.

But a game that goes on forever.

(C) Paul Jenkins 2019
@teacherwriterPJ

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #312 on: April 15, 2019, 10:58:54 AM »
Thirty years today.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #313 on: April 15, 2019, 05:54:42 PM »
Thirty years today.

Were we playing away that day? I was going home and away by then but I remember I watched Hillsborough unfold on the telly at home when I was still living with my parents, possibly Grandstand. I think I was laid up with my knee in plaster after hurting it playing football.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #314 on: April 15, 2019, 06:49:28 PM »
We didn’t have a game that day.