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Offline taylorsworkrate

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #120 on: May 02, 2016, 02:29:42 PM »
Another superb article this time from The Observer by Adrian Tempany. You can feel the anger as you read this.

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That is one hell of an emotive read

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #121 on: May 02, 2016, 02:55:57 PM »
Another superb article this time from The Observer by Adrian Tempany. You can feel the anger as you read this.

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That is one hell of an emotive read

That article and the one by David Conn really reveal in graphic detail the true human horror that people went through that day in a way that I haven't read before.  I found them very hard to read in places.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2016, 07:53:40 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #122 on: May 02, 2016, 08:39:33 PM »
I wish she would shut her trap about safe standing mind.

I've got mixed views  about her.  Sure it is the worst of the worst to lose a son or daughter, so can forgive a lot. 

She appears to give an aura out that she is a celeb and I don't like that kind of publicity. 

As for her views on safe standing I am very surprised.  Would have thought she is in the camp where that is a no no.

Offline Chris Jameson

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #123 on: May 02, 2016, 08:55:19 PM »
I wish she would shut her trap about safe standing mind.

She appears to give an aura out that she is a celeb and I don't like that kind of publicity. 


I'd love to know how you've come to that conclusion.

Offline wittonwarrior

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #124 on: May 02, 2016, 09:05:01 PM »
She is very media  savy - obviously had the Rooney/Beckham  tuition. 

As I said though let her be. 

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #125 on: May 02, 2016, 09:08:30 PM »
It goes without saying that I respect her for the campaign, but her attitude over safe standing is at best misguided. She's talked about safe standing as a "battle" the justice campaigners have had to fight, as though the two are linked, and I also remember her saying something about how the German example didn't count as they've never had a Hillsborough. 

Offline Chris Jameson

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #126 on: May 02, 2016, 09:14:19 PM »
She is very media  savy - obviously had the Rooney/Beckham  tuition. 

As I said though let her be. 

The Rooney/Beckham tuition, are you for real?

If she's had media training it's because she's somebody who never wished to be in the spotlight but has to be because she lost a child 27 years ago and has had to spend that time trying to get anybody and everybody to listen. I'm not sure how the fuck that gives the impression she thinks she is a 'celeb'?

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #127 on: May 03, 2016, 09:42:56 AM »
This might be an interesting Twitter feed to follow over the next few months

He's documenting all the evidence of cover ups and altered statements after Hillsborough, laready some startling stuff on his timeline, and this tweet:

The Wrong Kennedy ‏@wrong_kennedy  22h22 hours ago
People have been shocked by the Hillsborough evidence deleted by South Yorks Police

Just wait until the evidence they *created* goes public

Offline Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #128 on: May 03, 2016, 09:58:36 AM »
Another superb article this time from The Observer by Adrian Tempany. You can feel the anger as you read this.

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That is one hell of an emotive read

The hell that people have gone through.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #129 on: May 03, 2016, 10:18:55 AM »
This might be an interesting Twitter feed to follow over the next few months

He's documenting all the evidence of cover ups and altered statements after Hillsborough, laready some startling stuff on his timeline, and this tweet:

The Wrong Kennedy ‏@wrong_kennedy  22h22 hours ago
People have been shocked by the Hillsborough evidence deleted by South Yorks Police

Just wait until the evidence they *created* goes public

Thanks Dave, this ones going to run and run.

Offline Chris Jameson

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #130 on: May 03, 2016, 10:39:57 AM »
Thanks Dave.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #131 on: May 03, 2016, 12:30:12 PM »

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #132 on: May 03, 2016, 07:55:09 PM »
This might be an interesting Twitter feed to follow over the next few months

He's documenting all the evidence of cover ups and altered statements after Hillsborough, laready some startling stuff on his timeline, and this tweet:

The Wrong Kennedy ‏@wrong_kennedy  22h22 hours ago
People have been shocked by the Hillsborough evidence deleted by South Yorks Police

Just wait until the evidence they *created* goes public

Thanks Dave, this ones going to run and run.

The whole thing makes you wonder that if they've have been able to cover something like this up, what else have they covered up over the years?

I was talking to a mate yesterday (Wolves fan) who was at Hillsborough for the 81 semi-final, and he remembers seeing some of the Spurs fans in Leppings Lane piling onto the pitch.  There were so many warnings about that stand, with issues in 81 and again in 87.  Plus the neglect that led to the fire at Bradford.  So many warnings and yet the authorities turned a blind eye to it.  Football fans at that time were treated like public enemy number one.

We should all be grateful that the ground of today are not the disgraceful death traps of the 1980s - but not that it took so many unnecessary fatalities to do it.

One other thing.  Now that the truth is known, hopefully this will stop some fans of certain clubs (Liverpool included) from belting out sick songs about disasters.  Sadly I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #133 on: May 03, 2016, 08:48:57 PM »
AV89, one of the links in the tweet Dave Cooper links to, has a further link to a tweet about previous injuries on the Leppings Lane terrace.

There were 5 serious injuries recorded in that Wolves v Tottenham semi final that could be attributed to crush injuries. In addition there was a fatality due to crush injuries back in 1934.

How much the 1934 terrace resembled 1989 who knows.

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Re: Hillsborough
« Reply #134 on: May 04, 2016, 12:28:02 PM »
One of single most damning things on that Twitter link is this:



Difficult to read on that image but it's a deleted line from the police log which is the order to close the tunnel leading to the central pens at 2:55.

A few  things. One, the order is probably too late as the overcrowding in those pens should have been (in fact was) spotted much earlier and the tunnel should have been shut then.
Two, there was no way the order couls have been carried out in any case as the police were so overwhelmed and disorganised in that concourse.
Three, THEY FUCKING DELETED IT!


 


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