New manager- when will it happen?

[PaulWinch again]

When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect?  I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for.  Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.

Maybe I've a little more confidence in the club than some, not to mention ambition.

CJ, first, I don't see the "unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt", I expect it. If we get our house in order and it certainly looks like we are, I see no reason not to expect it. Right now we need a manager to do a specific job, once that job is complete we move onto the next project, a more ambitious job. Horses for courses.

TV, Watford don't seem to have suffered too much either. "Utterly mental" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

But Moyes wouldn't be a 'horses for courses' promotion manager, he'd be there to get us up to the top end of the league.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect?  I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for.  Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.

Maybe I've a little more confidence in the club than some, not to mention ambition.

CJ, first, I don't see the "unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt", I expect it. If we get our house in order and it certainly looks like we are, I see no reason not to expect it. Right now we need a manager to do a specific job, once that job is complete we move onto the next project, a more ambitious job. Horses for courses.

TV, Watford don't seem to have suffered too much either. "Utterly mental" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

But Moyes wouldn't be a 'horses for courses' promotion manager, he'd be there to get us up to the top end of the league.

And Martin O'Neill will get us in the Champions League, we just need to give him more money.

I'm not saying Moyes couldn't do a decent job, he probably could, the problem is with so much money in the PL clubs are hiring the best. That's something that will only continue and expand as the new TV deal attracts the best from around the world.

[olaftab]

Moyse favourite??

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I have improved your post Olaftab.

Thank you. I have a habit of posting crap quite regularly!

[Des Little]

I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.

We'd snap his hand off for that shit season!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.

I'm not saying his ceiling is midtable, I'm saying why waste time waiting around until he hits his obvious ceiling when there are better options available.. and there will be. Back in 2004/2005 he did amazingly to pip us to get Everton into the Champions League but they were knocked out in the qualifiers, losing both games to Villareal. He then managed to lose again at first attempt in the UEFA Cup. Horses for courses?

Should he turn up at Villa Park obviously I hope he proves me wrong. Whoever comes in will need to hit the ground running as the longer we stay out of the PL the tougher it will be to actually stay there once we're up. It's going to be sad but interesting to see how much is spent with the new TV deal.

[saunders_heroes]

Who are the better options than Moyes?

[PeterWithesShin]

We were 10th in 2005. I always thought their 4th that season was a bit flukey, they had a minus GD as an example.

We've finished higher than 6th five times in over 80 years, as we head to Division 2 with no manager and one of the worst seasons in our history I think it's a bit premature to be worrying about whether the next manager can make it 6 in 90 years or will level out in 6th place.

And I agree, it will be shit but interesting, in a depressing way most likely.

[pauliewalnuts]

First unconfirmed reports are indicating a shortlist of two, which is at least a 100% improvement over the last one. You can guess the two.

Phats and Small?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Who are the better options than Moyes?

As chairman and Chief Cheerleader of his Official Fan club you'll never agree no matter who I mention.

[Legion]

Cannon and Ball?

[PeterWithesShin]

Barry Fry and Trevor Francis?

[Legion]

Ant and Dec?

[andyh]

Chaka Demus & Pliers ?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Bibs & Cones?