Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2020, 08:23:03 AMQuote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2020, 06:25:30 PMQuote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2020, 11:35:11 AMWonder what our transfer strategy will be if we go down. I assume it will be to go for reasonably proven but still young championship players like Joe Lolley and Eze of QPR who reminds me a bit of Grealish way he plays.Players who can get us promoted and also have potential to play in premier league like Jarred Bowen.Not sure we would be investing too much if we were to go down. Would expect Grealish, Mings and McGinn would be gone, but not many others really.Could probably be looking at a starting line up of something like: NylandGuilbert Engels Hause Targett Konsa Nakamba Hourihane El Ghazi Samatta TrezeguetBit of quality added in the positions where I've got Hourihane and Trezeguet and it looks OK. Still think it would be a massive struggle again if we went down and every effort needs to be put in for the remainder of the season to avoid that happening. I think, after their loans this season, that Ramsey, O'Hare and Rushian would probably be in a Championship-Villa side.If Nyland is our starting keeper then we might as well flog Heaton. He's not going to want to watch a season in the Championship from the bench.
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2020, 06:25:30 PMQuote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2020, 11:35:11 AMWonder what our transfer strategy will be if we go down. I assume it will be to go for reasonably proven but still young championship players like Joe Lolley and Eze of QPR who reminds me a bit of Grealish way he plays.Players who can get us promoted and also have potential to play in premier league like Jarred Bowen.Not sure we would be investing too much if we were to go down. Would expect Grealish, Mings and McGinn would be gone, but not many others really.Could probably be looking at a starting line up of something like: NylandGuilbert Engels Hause Targett Konsa Nakamba Hourihane El Ghazi Samatta TrezeguetBit of quality added in the positions where I've got Hourihane and Trezeguet and it looks OK. Still think it would be a massive struggle again if we went down and every effort needs to be put in for the remainder of the season to avoid that happening. I think, after their loans this season, that Ramsey, O'Hare and Rushian would probably be in a Championship-Villa side.
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2020, 11:35:11 AMWonder what our transfer strategy will be if we go down. I assume it will be to go for reasonably proven but still young championship players like Joe Lolley and Eze of QPR who reminds me a bit of Grealish way he plays.Players who can get us promoted and also have potential to play in premier league like Jarred Bowen.Not sure we would be investing too much if we were to go down. Would expect Grealish, Mings and McGinn would be gone, but not many others really.Could probably be looking at a starting line up of something like: NylandGuilbert Engels Hause Targett Konsa Nakamba Hourihane El Ghazi Samatta TrezeguetBit of quality added in the positions where I've got Hourihane and Trezeguet and it looks OK. Still think it would be a massive struggle again if we went down and every effort needs to be put in for the remainder of the season to avoid that happening.
Wonder what our transfer strategy will be if we go down. I assume it will be to go for reasonably proven but still young championship players like Joe Lolley and Eze of QPR who reminds me a bit of Grealish way he plays.Players who can get us promoted and also have potential to play in premier league like Jarred Bowen.
If we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.
Quote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.We signed 2 of those mentioned when we were in the championship. No-one thought of them as PL players at the time. One was from hibs and one a bournemouth reserve. Your vicious circle would assume that no signing we made was of the same quality and no youth team player came through. Mings and McGinn are very good players but were not of a level when signed that would be impossible to imagine signing again in the championship.
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 05, 2020, 01:50:47 PMQuote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.We signed 2 of those mentioned when we were in the championship. No-one thought of them as PL players at the time. One was from hibs and one a bournemouth reserve. Your vicious circle would assume that no signing we made was of the same quality and no youth team player came through. Mings and McGinn are very good players but were not of a level when signed that would be impossible to imagine signing again in the championship.SJM was a one off. Mings was already a PL player, there were just questions on whether he could sustain a run of games. Look at how many we got wrong before those 2 came along.
Quote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 02:35:02 PMQuote from: SheffieldVillain on March 05, 2020, 01:50:47 PMQuote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.We signed 2 of those mentioned when we were in the championship. No-one thought of them as PL players at the time. One was from hibs and one a bournemouth reserve. Your vicious circle would assume that no signing we made was of the same quality and no youth team player came through. Mings and McGinn are very good players but were not of a level when signed that would be impossible to imagine signing again in the championship.SJM was a one off. Mings was already a PL player, there were just questions on whether he could sustain a run of games. Look at how many we got wrong before those 2 came along.If it came to it, we will have the core of the squad that went down coming back up; with 2 seasons' experience and team-ness. Additionally, I'm sure the club would have learned from this season's experience and would target 3-4 experienced additions to ensure a more secure first season back in the Premier League.
Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2020, 03:14:36 PMQuote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 02:35:02 PMQuote from: SheffieldVillain on March 05, 2020, 01:50:47 PMQuote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.We signed 2 of those mentioned when we were in the championship. No-one thought of them as PL players at the time. One was from hibs and one a bournemouth reserve. Your vicious circle would assume that no signing we made was of the same quality and no youth team player came through. Mings and McGinn are very good players but were not of a level when signed that would be impossible to imagine signing again in the championship.SJM was a one off. Mings was already a PL player, there were just questions on whether he could sustain a run of games. Look at how many we got wrong before those 2 came along.If it came to it, we will have the core of the squad that went down coming back up; with 2 seasons' experience and team-ness. Additionally, I'm sure the club would have learned from this season's experience and would target 3-4 experienced additions to ensure a more secure first season back in the Premier League.Again, I think this forms part of the vicious circle. Whilst this seasons policy of signing young talent was brave, ultimately, we've probably missed a bit of PL experience in the side to give us steel.I read recently that it will take us 4 PL seasons just to get on a level wages wise with the other bottom half sides. Who can we realistically sign? We will lose out to most PL sides who could probably offer more wages and a better chance of sustained PL football.Next time around, we also have to swallow our pride and consider loans. Mooy was the obvious example this season but there were others as well - that ex Blackburn & Stoke guy for example.
Quote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 02:35:02 PMQuote from: SheffieldVillain on March 05, 2020, 01:50:47 PMQuote from: Brassneck on March 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PMIf we go down then we will be absolutely fine and in a position to keep most the squad together.Notable big money exits of Jack,McGinn and maybe Mings would be circa £150m. This value on-top of our enhanced parachute payment allowance would mean we could retain rest of the squad. All new signings have wage % drop upon relegation.If worst happened and we lost those players then one player i could see us bringing in would be Eze (to replace Jack)My problem is that if and when we got back up, we'd be in a worse position than this time around as we'd be minus our only 3 PL quality players.We could be in a vicious circle here.We signed 2 of those mentioned when we were in the championship. No-one thought of them as PL players at the time. One was from hibs and one a bournemouth reserve. Your vicious circle would assume that no signing we made was of the same quality and no youth team player came through. Mings and McGinn are very good players but were not of a level when signed that would be impossible to imagine signing again in the championship.SJM was a one off. Mings was already a PL player, there were just questions on whether he could sustain a run of games. Look at how many we got wrong before those 2 came along.We did get some wrong, but we did get some right too, but just didn’t give them long enough to develop. Ayew and Traore spring to mind.