Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions

[oswald funkletrumpet]

Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree.  Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side.  Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season.  We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.

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if we keep the likes of justhead, westwood, bacuna etc because they may do a job in the championship then when we do come back up they will need to be fucked off as thexm arent good enough.

the scale of rebuilding us is massive

[Ron Manager]

While Gueye has had, at best, an up and down season, I still think he has promise and don't want him to leave. I also want Veretout and Ayew to stay.

I keep saying I'm definitely getting a season ticket next year but if we sell off the promising players tov further balance the books I might think they can't be arsed so why should I.

I agree.A forward line that contains Ayew and Gestede with a fast and tricky winger to supply them would pay dividends in the Championship. Gueye works hard but Veretout needs a goal or two to get him going.Nathan Baker will be OK in this division.

[PaulWinch again]

We can't be selling all of our good players that would be suicide, but then under current leadership who knows.

[ozzjim]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

[PeterWithe]

Grealish to go too according to the Israeli Times.

Shalom.

[tomd2103]

Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree.  Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side.  Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season.  We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.

Who's gonna pay for them? Lerner ain't . People like Clark, Baker, Gardner, Grealish and Westwood would give us a good basis of a young side who still want to achieve things. Add in say Hutton and Lescott for some experience, and buy some steel in midfield and a decent striker. I don't think that's a bad championship side. A large majority of the last side that got relegated played a big part in getting us promoted with the right players added and they were just as terrible

No chance that side would beat any teams in the current top six places in the Championship.  Even if we fluked promotion with that lot, we'd be heading straight back down the next season. 

[PeterWithe]

Promote the young academy players, with two/three astute core signings - consolidate in Championship, and then slowly build a squad good enough to get promoted and stay up.

The problems of doing it this way are one, that fans will drift away quickly during a 'consolidation' season, and that the season after, three teams will be coming down with parachute money in excess of ours who will be able to offer better packages to the players we'll need to get promoted.

[Chico Hamilton III]

We can't be selling all of our good players

All of em? we couldn't give away most of those shithouses, let alone sell many of them.

[ASHTONVILLA]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.

[dave.woodhall]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.

Can anyone with more time on their hands than I've got get hold of Newcstle's accounts for the season they were down and compare them to the ones either side?

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.

do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?

[ASHTONVILLA]

do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?

Yes. But I doubt any payer signing a £50k a week contract with a perennial relegation struggling outfit (sadly that's the Villa these days) would accept a clause knocking it down to the £6k week Championship average wage. Question is how much do the salaries drop, is it 30%, 50% 10%?

I have no clue what is standard. Dave Woodhall is right, looking at Newcastles accounts before and after the drop would give an insight.

[PaulWinch again]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Yep and if that's the case we'll be marooned in the Championship for a long time, and that's probably best case scenario. There's going to have to be some important decisions made, because if we cut back too drastically, too quickly then we're facing massive trouble.

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?

Yes. But I doubt any payer signing a £50k a week contract with a perennial relegation struggling outfit (sadly that's the Villa these days) would accept a clause knocking it down to the £6k week Championship average wage. Question is how much do the salaries drop, is it 30%, 50% 10%?

I have no clue what is standard. Dave Woodhall is right, looking at Newcastles accounts before and after the drop would give an insight.

I wouldn't be so sure about relegation clauses, our lot don't seem to get too much right

[Dave]

Looking at the accounts there will be little choice.  The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think.  Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.

At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.