West Ham vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread

[sendō WHU]

Whichever interpretation they want to use is fine by me, as long as it's consistent - but if we're going to concede a penalty because Mahrez thumps the ball at Cissokho's hand from two yards when he's on the ground, facing the other way (see photo), then Antonio's is also a penalty.

I'd say neither were penalties, and in reality two wrongs don't make a right. I don't understand why referees find it so hard to read and understand the laws of the game. They're actually very clear and simple.

The worst one was Spurs winning a penalty late on in the cup vs Leicester after it hit the back of Nathan Dyers heel and struck his hand as he spun around.

[aj2k77]

The simple answer is that the refs are biased.

[simon ward 50]

It was always going to be a difficult match with 11 on the pitch but with 10, thanks to Ayew it became an impossibility.

[Chris Jameson]

I heard somebody last night on either TV or radio saying how important it is to keep Flabby fit, I don't think they've seen him in the last 3 years. He was crap again last night.

[AVH87]

Didn't expect anything from this one, but think we may well have got a creditable 0-0 had it remained 11 v 11. The blow of missing Ayew for the next 3 games is probably bigger than not having had him for 73 mins of this one.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.

We dont have a lot of anything really!

Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.

Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.

It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.

Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.

[Clampy]

One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.

We dont have a lot of anything really!

Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.

Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.

It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.

Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.

I do kind of agree with your last point (I didn't earlier in the season and especially now when we could be potentially 3 strikers down) but would Saturday be the right game for it? The atmosphere is going to be a bit feisty, especially if we're losing.

[john e]

I said to my west ham supporting mate before the match that we only had one player and that was Jordan Ayew, he said to me after 17 mins 'is that the one player you got walking down the tunnel'

we started well last night to well, so the players must have thought we must do something about this else we could go on and get result here, so Ayew gets himself sent off so we can all go about doing what we do best, shooting ourselves in the foot game after game

in fairness they do spread the cock ups around Ayew, Guzan, Gana, Amavi, Sanchez, any of the back four, its a proper team effort

[Risso]

It's always nice to hear from Sendo, I do like opposing fans who you can have an intelligent chat with, without any ridiculous "bants".

To answer his questions, yes Gabby has been fat and shit for ages now, he's an absolute disgrace.  His game was only ever based on pace, so he's as much use as a chocolate fireguard now.

And yes, Bacuna IS always that bad.  But not to worry, he's only contracted to us for another 4.5 years.

[ozzjim]

I could not believe how many tackles Bacuna shirked last night. It was shameful.

The handball is a penalty Sendo. If you look across all the ones given this season, that was "worse" than a lot of them simply due to how far his arm is from his body. I agree that all of them should not be, but essentially a lot have been given this season, and in line with consistency that should last night. Jon Moss is a tragically poor official though, and never gives Villa anything unless it is impossible to do anything else.

Noble had 3 fully bookable challenges before he set up the first goal too, but walzes off with the man of the match trophy. The guy was poor. I think when it comes on the back of the decision at West Brom where Olsen goes through Ayew and Leiceter where Huth clocks Kozak round the face in a similar way to Ayew but not as blatant and it is again waved away.

All you want is the officials to be consistent, but they are not from game to game, and we are getting the brunt of it at the moment. Garde has got us solid and organised, and if the board had got him a couple of attacking options in the window, I reckon we would be alive and kicking, but we are now dead and buried.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.

We dont have a lot of anything really!

Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.

Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.

It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.

Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.

I do kind of agree with your last point (I didn't earlier in the season and especially now when we could be potentially 3 strikers down) but would Saturday be the right game for it? The atmosphere is going to be a bit feisty, especially if we're losing.

May be not Saturday but if we lose and are as good as down then we can have 10-12 games to put some of these kids in just to have a look, I would rather a promising kid from the academy be on the teamsheet ahead of bacuna or richardson

[The Edge]

I could not believe how many tackles Bacuna shirked last night. It was shameful.

The handball is a penalty Sendo. If you look across all the ones given this season, that was "worse" than a lot of them simply due to how far his arm is from his body. I agree that all of them should not be, but essentially a lot have been given this season, and in line with consistency that should last night. Jon Moss is a tragically poor official though, and never gives Villa anything unless it is impossible to do anything else.

Noble had 3 fully bookable challenges before he set up the first goal too, but walzes off with the man of the match trophy. The guy was poor. I think when it comes on the back of the decision at West Brom where Olsen goes through Ayew and Leiceter where Huth clocks Kozak round the face in a similar way to Ayew but not as blatant and it is again waved away.

All you want is the officials to be consistent, but they are not from game to game, and we are getting the brunt of it at the moment. Garde has got us solid and organised, and if the board had got him a couple of attacking options in the window, I reckon we would be alive and kicking, but we are now dead and buried.

That's about it in a nutshell.

[clash city rocker]

Don't know if now is a good time to put 'the kids' in the team. It could destroy any confidence they have the way things are and really set them back.

[lovejoy]

Whichever interpretation they want to use is fine by me, as long as it's consistent - but if we're going to concede a penalty because Mahrez thumps the ball at Cissokho's hand from two yards when he's on the ground, facing the other way (see photo), then Antonio's is also a penalty.

I'd say neither were penalties, and in reality two wrongs don't make a right. I don't understand why referees find it so hard to read and understand the laws of the game. They're actually very clear and simple.

The worst one was Spurs winning a penalty late on in the cup vs Leicester after it hit the back of Nathan Dyers heel and struck his hand as he spun around.

I really like the way opposing fans can come on here and give reasoned views without it resulting in slagging offs. Sends is obviously a reasonable poster, but even he is able, in his own mind, to ignore a blatant penalty when it involves his own team.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

Don't know if now is a good time to put 'the kids' in the team. It could destroy any confidence they have the way things are and really set them back.

There will never be a better time

We fanny about with the academy "kids" enough as it is, it is always next week, next month, next year

I am sure the majority of our fans would have no problem with a youngster running his bollocks off and trying as opposed to a waster like richardson