AGM - Protest

[adrenachrome]

and another thing I don't and never did like Ellis, but lerner has used him as a roll model and then some, just saying like.

He's actually just about the exact opposite.

that's your opinion love

2 quick questions.

1. How much money did Doug put into or take out of the club during his time as owner?

2. How much money has Lerner put into or taken out of the club as owner?

That is the crux of the matter.

Doug was in it for Doug, and never missed a single trick in milking the club for his own benefit.  The facts and figures that prove this have been posted ad nauseam over the years.

Randy is the complete opposite. He has sunk a fortune into the club which he will never recover.

This is an entirely separate question from the effects of the leadership of both men, but if we cannot make this basic distinction then there is no basis for rational debate and we are of sounding  like children stamping their feet in the playground.

As for Dave Woodhall being a defender of RL and the board, he was one of the very few counseling caution when the change of ownership happened.

[brentastonb6]

Ah well, just spent two hours reading all thirty pages of posts on this topic , my own stupid fault for not coming on site more often . I'm really looking forward to this AGM like I used to look forward to the old Doug Ellis ones when several hundred would turn up vent their spleen but Doug stayed on
regardless - at least we felt better for it. Please don't let us down Mr Fox by not showing . As for protests I'm going to do something really radical I'm going to get behind the team like I always do and even try to get to more away games between now and the season's end as It's our / my club and the one thing we've still got is a fantastic set of fans - what better way to show the football world , potential owners or players that we are and can be something special again. After the Palace game we'll only be looking for another nine wins : )

[rob_bridge]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

It's his business that is in jeopardy and our club that is being progressively destroyed by him.
I can see no reason why supporters would care if he had to spend all his money getting us out of this mess. He has been a dreadful owner.

He spent Top3 money to get us to Top6 at which point he moderated his outlay with a view to spending top half money to finish in the top 8-10 positions. This included 2 of the aforementioned signings intermingled with the club record signing. Unfortunately the first 2 management appointments post O'Neill were respectively:

a) misjudged and foolish though there were mitigating circumstances.
b) wrong on every level.

Subsequently he moderated the outlay further but still allowed an net outlay of 20m plus to the new manager.

So with that in mind can you answer my question with some specifics? If you can't don't bother respond.

[rob_bridge]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

Lerner didn't need to keep spending at his initial rate, but neither did he need to slam the breaks on in such a sudden and destructive fashion.

To go from being fairly aggressive in the transfer market such that we could get players of the quality Milner out of Newcastle we have been reduced to buying second rate  players some of whom would struggle to make an impact in the second division let alone the premier league.

 

I refer the honourable H&V poster to the reply I gave to hvfa1 some moments ago.

[Dave Cooper please]

Is this Crystal Palace protest still happening, only I normally see this stuff all over my Facebook and Twitter feeds but I've not seen owt about this since the original FB post. (I am not "friends" with the original poster so I suppose there could be a huge discussion on his page I suppose).

[rob_bridge]

Is this Crystal Palace protest still happening, only I normally see this stuff all over my Facebook and Twitter feeds but I've not seen owt about this since the original FB post. (I am not "friends" with the original poster so I suppose there could be a huge discussion on his page I suppose).

Saunders_Heroes is your contact on here for that stuff. He's always going on about it.

[Witton Warrior]

Is this Crystal Palace protest still happening, only I normally see this stuff all over my Facebook and Twitter feeds but I've not seen owt about this since the original FB post. (I am not "friends" with the original poster so I suppose there could be a huge discussion on his page I suppose).

It was reported in the press yesterday that it would be the Leicester match - I feel neither may occur...

[in exile]

Well, my black armband arrived from ebay this morning and I will be wearing it to every game at Villa Park until Learner goes.
Just my own little protest for want of a better word.

[hvkfa1]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

It's his business that is in jeopardy and our club that is being progressively destroyed by him.
I can see no reason why supporters would care if he had to spend all his money getting us out of this mess. He has been a dreadful owner.

He spent Top3 money to get us to Top6 at which point he moderated his outlay with a view to spending top half money to finish in the top 8-10 positions. This included 2 of the aforementioned signings intermingled with the club record signing. Unfortunately the first 2 management appointments post O'Neill were respectively:

a) misjudged and foolish though there were mitigating circumstances.
b) wrong on every level.

Subsequently he moderated the outlay further but still allowed an net outlay of 20m plus to the new manager.

So with that in mind can you answer my question with some specifics? If you can't don't bother respond.

I was beginning to wonder what your question was, then I went back in the thread and saw it wasn't even asked towards me. If you are going to play the smart arse, you need to have a good memory. This also applies to Villa in Davemark.

[hvkfa1]

Is this Crystal Palace protest still happening, only I normally see this stuff all over my Facebook and Twitter feeds but I've not seen owt about this since the original FB post. (I am not "friends" with the original poster so I suppose there could be a huge discussion on his page I suppose).

Saunders_Heroes is your contact on here for that stuff. He's always going on about it.

Is he one of your acolytes?

[dave.woodhall]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

It's his business that is in jeopardy and our club that is being progressively destroyed by him.
I can see no reason why supporters would care if he had to spend all his money getting us out of this mess. He has been a dreadful owner.

He spent Top3 money to get us to Top6 at which point he moderated his outlay with a view to spending top half money to finish in the top 8-10 positions. This included 2 of the aforementioned signings intermingled with the club record signing. Unfortunately the first 2 management appointments post O'Neill were respectively:

a) misjudged and foolish though there were mitigating circumstances.
b) wrong on every level.

Subsequently he moderated the outlay further but still allowed an net outlay of 20m plus to the new manager.

So with that in mind can you answer my question with some specifics? If you can't don't bother respond.

I was beginning to wonder what your question was, then I went back in the thread and saw it wasn't even asked towards me. If you are going to play the smart arse, you need to have a good memory. This also applies to Villa in Davemark.

Can you remember how many times you've been banned from here now Troy? We've lost count.

[hvkfa1]

I'm struggling cobbler. What do you reckon, huh?

[hvkfa1]

I'm struggling cobber. What do you reckon, huh?

[hvkfa1]

Didn't mean to call you cobbler. It's a funny keyboard down here, huh!

[dave.woodhall]

I reckon you should try a bit harder next time. Bye.