Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[brontebilly]

I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch

[PaulWinch again]

When Chelsea were given a day off Pat Nevin flew to Paris to see the Cocteau Twins but didn't dare tell any of 'the lads' who spent their days in the pub and/or on the golf course

And this kind of illustrates the point, you highlight examples of bright British footballers because they're so unusual.

[passport1]

Subjective analysis methinks.

[PaulWinch again]

Of course it is, but it's always going to be because it's based on perception.

[gpbarr]

I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

I dont think Sunday will be proof on anything - too early. He is going to need time to work it out me thinks. But agree its the perfect first game because its a game he personally cannot really lose either way - lose and no-one will seriously lay blame at his door, win and he will be the messiah

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch

[Rudy Can't Fail]

In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.

And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .

What the above doesn't show is the absolute mess MON left Celtic in. An overpaid Dad's Army of a squad. There were many complaints too about the quality of the football. It's also well documented how much more entertaining the team became the following season under Gordon Strachan.

[aj2k77]

Two horse race and O'Neill won the league 3 times, Scottish Cup twice and League Cup twice. At the same time Rangers won the league twice, Scottish Cup three times and League Cup twice.

So basically against the brains of Alex Mcleish they were hardly domineering. Winning the same number of trophies. MON is a myth and a complete ******.

[SamTheMouse]

I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch

Yeah, most likely. I meant it in a slightly tongue-in-cheek way. Anyway Rudy's been in England a while now, so it shouldn't make a difference to him.

Having said that... you never know, it might have a little bit of impact on the Francophones in the squad. When you're in a foreign country, it can be comforting to be around people from the motherland, so to speak. And if their English is a bit iffy, Remi can always take them aside and have a word in their ear in French to ensure they understand everything that's expected of them. Good communication is vital.

[pauliewalnuts]

In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.

And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .

What the above doesn't show is the absolute mess MON left Celtic in. An overpaid Dad's Army of a squad. There were many complaints too about the quality of the football. It's also well documented how much more entertaining the team became the following season under Gordon Strachan.

I remember reading that Bobo Balde was on 40k a week there. 40k a week in Scotland, over 10 years ago.

The place i read it was a celtic forum where they were talking about his legacy shortly after he joined us.

The thing about his motivational skills is believable. The problem with us was that to make that last step into the top four your manager needs to have more about him than being able to lift spirits

I firmly believe that even if we had given him double the money we would have still finished sixth because he just didn't have a clue about certain things  - tactics (did we ever show any variety?) and substitutions for example

[PeterWithesShin]

With all the money MON had to spend, he bought 3 players from overseas. Guzan (600K), Carew (swap) and Salifou (50p). He signed players around two dozen players for over £110m and that was it for overseas players, and one of those was only because Houllier offered Carew for Baros.

That for me sums up his failings more than anything.

[Sexual Ealing]

Henry Redknapp is on R5 right now giving it the full Alf Garnett. 'What's the point in English managers [like Sherwood] doing their badges when they never get a chance?'

Ahem, dickwad, he did.

[aj2k77]

Henry Redknapp is on R5 right now giving it the full Alf Garnett. 'What's the point in English managers [like Sherwood] doing their badges when they never get a chance?'

Ahem, dickwad, he did.

He wasn't chirping out when Spurs didn't give Dim Tim his chance was he?

[Villa in Denmark]

Subjective analysis methinks.

Last word on the subject I promise, having contributed to unfortunately twisting yet another thread into a was MON a charlatan type thread.

The analysis you describe as subjective is actually a valid basis for experimental design and statistical analysis where there may be data that skews the normal distribution because of obvious anomalies.

If you're comparing the record of a guy who managed 3 years in France with a guy who's been around for the best part of 20 odd years, but won 80% of his trophies from a position where it was harder not to win than win, then from a statistical analysis point of view his record with us and Leicester is far more representative.

[brian green]

Does it ever cross whatever Redknapp uses for a brain that he is a very good example of why English managers are held in such low esteem?

[clash city rocker]

Are we still talking about football..