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Offline Toronto Villa

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2745 on: February 20, 2016, 01:44:02 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.

Lerner

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2746 on: February 20, 2016, 01:50:01 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.
Does he really want to sell? I suspect he wants to recoup the absolute maximum before bailing out. There will be an even more obvious slash and burn policy before he sells us to whoever will pony up the cash. Hold on to your seats...

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2747 on: February 20, 2016, 01:57:36 PM »
Maybe we should all take L plates to the last game and chuck em on the pitch.

Or R plates - since it's the last game in the top league that folk will be seeing us play for some time?

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2748 on: February 20, 2016, 02:05:59 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.
Does he really want to sell? I suspect he wants to recoup the absolute maximum before bailing out. There will be an even more obvious slash and burn policy before he sells us to whoever will pony up the cash. Hold on to your seats...
I wonder if he really wants to sell. I think a successful protest would encourage Lerner to sell/exit more rapidly. If he has the media constantly on his back it will provide pressure and motivation to sell as quickly as possible. No pressure and he could be here for years trying to recoup his investment a bit at a time.

I've worked in a failing/struggling business (which Aston Villa is IMO) and the hostility/anger of customers quickly becomes an all consuming management headache. If Fox et al are taking a pounding from their stakeholders (sorry) then it makes a massive difference. Who'd sponsor Villa is there are protests every game? It would have wide ranging consequences in everything the wider management team at Villa do on a day to day basis.

So I don't buy the fact that it won't make any difference - it will. A huge one. We should make it as uncomfortable for the management as we can  - at the moment they've got an easy ride.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2749 on: February 20, 2016, 02:41:01 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.
Does he really want to sell? I suspect he wants to recoup the absolute maximum before bailing out. There will be an even more obvious slash and burn policy before he sells us to whoever will pony up the cash. Hold on to your seats...
I wonder if he really wants to sell. I think a successful protest would encourage Lerner to sell/exit more rapidly. If he has the media constantly on his back it will provide pressure and motivation to sell as quickly as possible. No pressure and he could be here for years trying to recoup his investment a bit at a time.

I've worked in a failing/struggling business (which Aston Villa is IMO) and the hostility/anger of customers quickly becomes an all consuming management headache. If Fox et al are taking a pounding from their stakeholders (sorry) then it makes a massive difference. Who'd sponsor Villa is there are protests every game? It would have wide ranging consequences in everything the wider management team at Villa do on a day to day basis.

So I don't buy the fact that it won't make any difference - it will. A huge one. We should make it as uncomfortable for the management as we can  - at the moment they've got an easy ride.
I agree wholeheartedly, making owning the club as miserable as supporting it has become. It may damage the club in the short term, but custodian calamity is killing it stone dead anyway.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 04:59:24 PM by Locko »

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2750 on: February 20, 2016, 02:43:33 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.

Lerner


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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2751 on: February 20, 2016, 02:48:07 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.
Does he really want to sell? I suspect he wants to recoup the absolute maximum before bailing out. There will be an even more obvious slash and burn policy before he sells us to whoever will pony up the cash. Hold on to your seats...
Tom Fox has been quoted as saying that Lerner wasn't a motivated seller. This was January last year to be fair but nothing has been said by the club to counter that statement. So what are we to conclude?

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2752 on: February 20, 2016, 04:10:30 PM »
As much as I loath Learner and what he has done to the club, I don't see the point of 'Learner out' protests. He wants out anyway, he's just selling to any bidder that comes along, and nor should he. If there is an interested party out there, I would imagine they are waiting to buy a championship team.

Lerner
Doh! Corrected

Offline aj2k77

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2753 on: February 20, 2016, 04:32:20 PM »
He should be pressured to sell, until he comes out and releases a statement saying he is working hard to move the club on in to the hands of someone with the commitment to do a job befitting of the clubs stature then he should be hounded. We as usual have had conflicting statements at different times amounting to oh he want to stay he's having fun, oh no actually he's doing his best to get rid of the club.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2754 on: February 20, 2016, 04:32:21 PM »
She's a driving instructor, I believe.

African car reverser.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2755 on: February 20, 2016, 04:44:30 PM »
What frightens me is that we aren't just a premier league club heading for a bumpy ride for a few years due to a couple of bad managers and a poor set of players, like say Boro, Derby, Fulham or even Forest, but we are a broken club on a fast spiral downwards like Leeds or Pompey. We all know that there isn't a quick fix in the summer - that a change of manager (rightly or wrongly) or the injection of 4 decent players will remedy. It is fundamentally broken, some of the players on paper aren't THAT bad and all of our recent managers aren't successively more shit than their predecessor. Look at the rate of demise of Leeds (when they fell quickly to Div 3) and Pompey and it was all about dreadful business decisions, asset stripping and downgrading without a proper infrastructure in place. I hope to God I am wrong but there is very little to cling onto right now.

Good  post. It has been clear for years that something very fundamental was wrong at villa and I am uncomfortable that I initially bought into a lot of the PR/spin about MON being the public enemy number one. MON was long gone by say 2012, we had made huge profits on some of his big signings and had additional seasons of Premier League cash to clear our financial problems.

Anyway, that's beside the point. What is frustrating is this car crash has been coming for half a decade. The ineptness of our owners has been clear to see yet villa fans have been divided with half doing the other half on daft technicalities. I mean, siding with an absent billionaire letting our club burn over a low-paid member of staff? Come on, it's desperate. 

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2756 on: February 20, 2016, 05:07:39 PM »
What frightens me is that we aren't just a premier league club heading for a bumpy ride for a few years due to a couple of bad managers and a poor set of players, like say Boro, Derby, Fulham or even Forest, but we are a broken club on a fast spiral downwards like Leeds or Pompey. We all know that there isn't a quick fix in the summer - that a change of manager (rightly or wrongly) or the injection of 4 decent players will remedy. It is fundamentally broken, some of the players on paper aren't THAT bad and all of our recent managers aren't successively more shit than their predecessor. Look at the rate of demise of Leeds (when they fell quickly to Div 3) and Pompey and it was all about dreadful business decisions, asset stripping and downgrading without a proper infrastructure in place. I hope to God I am wrong but there is very little to cling onto right now.

Good  post. It has been clear for years that something very fundamental was wrong at villa and I am uncomfortable that I initially bought into a lot of the PR/spin about MON being the public enemy number one. MON was long gone by say 2012, we had made huge profits on some of his big signings and had additional seasons of Premier League cash to clear our financial problems.

Anyway, that's beside the point. What is frustrating is this car crash has been coming for half a decade. The ineptness of our owners has been clear to see yet villa fans have been divided with half doing the other half on daft technicalities. I mean, siding with an absent billionaire letting our club burn over a low-paid member of staff? Come on, it's desperate. 

No, it's called an opinion. Sorry if it's not good enough for you.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2757 on: February 20, 2016, 05:08:21 PM »
"Not a motivated seller".  I mean, this phrase sums up perfectly the meaningless, half-baked nonsense of the Lerner era.  What on earth does it even mean?  It's obfuscation of the highest order. 


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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2758 on: February 20, 2016, 05:13:09 PM »
"Not a motivated seller".  I mean, this phrase sums up perfectly the meaningless, half-baked nonsense of the Lerner era.  What on earth does it even mean?  It's obfuscation of the highest order. 



Makes you wonder, especially when considering the news that Bristol Rovers have been taken over by a Jordanian billionaire yesterday.

No one is buying football clubs any more, apparently.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2759 on: February 20, 2016, 05:28:58 PM »
It means he wants to sell. Has probably written some of the details on a postcard. But just hasn't got round to asking the newsagent to put it in his window. Or maybe he's having second thoughts about the crayon colour.

 


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