This is the season...

[Chris Smith]

We have lost one out of the last four and to the team that will come 2nd or 1st. We have actually started to play well, show increased fitness to press as a unit and to sow character and salvage a point from a goal down. Its small but purposeful steps.

We have some confidence, we have a striker in good fom and we have an opportunity to beat two sides to bring us within a result of Newcastle and Norwich, whom we play again in February and May. Its far from over.

I agree with the thrust of that but walking out of the ground yesterday I could not escape the thought that despite our best performance of the season and dominating possession we still only had a point to show for it. It is as though the Gods have decided we are going down and there is nothing that we can do to stop it. Perhaps when the fog of 2 days worth of alcohol induced melancholia clears I will regain some rational perspective but at the moment I think we are being punished for the combined idiocy of our recent managerial appointments and our Saviour has arrived too late.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

the stone cold fact is that we need a minimum of 30 points to stay up as the average over the past ten seasons is 37.3

i just find it hard to understand how given our current form (the worst in all four divisions) that some think that we are going to achieve top 8 form

each to their own

I'm usually optimistic but what's worrying me almost as much as our position is the thought that seventeenth is going to be almost a record high points total this season I think. Some of the relegated teams this year will consider themselves very unlucky.

i think it will be closer to 40 this season

[Risso]

We are down already. Trying to believe anything else is just delusional.

Just because you think we're down doesn't make people who still think we can get out of it delusional.

Well, that's your opinion, and mine is that thinking we'll escape relegation is delusional.

Am i'm entitled to think that we can do it. It doesn't make me delusional.

In my opinion you are.

[Clampy]

We are down already. Trying to believe anything else is just delusional.

Just because you think we're down doesn't make people who still think we can get out of it delusional.

Well, that's your opinion, and mine is that thinking we'll escape relegation is delusional.

Am i'm entitled to think that we can do it. It doesn't make me delusional.

In my opinion you are.

I'd call you a pessimist, but i'm a little bit more polite.

[luke95]

We're almost halfway through the season with 1 win & 5 draws 12 defeats so far.
9 points adrift of the relegation cut off. Which means we've got win at least 3 games more than everybody else just to have a fighting chance .
It ain't gonna  happen no matter how much you believe it will or want it to.

We're gonna finish in the bottom 2 without doubt.

[Risso]

We are down already. Trying to believe anything else is just delusional.

Just because you think we're down doesn't make people who still think we can get out of it delusional.

Well, that's your opinion, and mine is that thinking we'll escape relegation is delusional.

Am i'm entitled to think that we can do it. It doesn't make me delusional.

In my opinion you are.

I'd call you a pessimist, but i'm a little bit more polite.

Realist is the word.  Virtually halfway through the season with one win, and 9 points adrfit of safety.  Nobody has stayed up from that position before, not even Leicester last year.  Leicester last season at this stage had won 3 games, and weren't as far adrift as we are now.  We have a crap defence, crap midfield and one forward player in form.  And the other thing against us compared to last year is that the other relegation candidates seem capable of pulling off a shock win, whereas we can't beat anybody at all.

[Chris Smith]

the stone cold fact is that we need a minimum of 30 points to stay up as the average over the past ten seasons is 37.3

i just find it hard to understand how given our current form (the worst in all four divisions) that some think that we are going to achieve top 8 form

each to their own

I'm usually optimistic but what's worrying me almost as much as our position is the thought that seventeenth is going to be almost a record high points total this season I think. Some of the relegated teams this year will consider themselves very unlucky.

i think it will be closer to 40 this season

As things stand 16th place have 18 points from 18 games and I don't see anything to suggest that sort of ratio is likely to be change so getting to 38 points will probably give you a pretty good chance of staying up.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

the stone cold fact is that we need a minimum of 30 points to stay up as the average over the past ten seasons is 37.3

i just find it hard to understand how given our current form (the worst in all four divisions) that some think that we are going to achieve top 8 form

each to their own

I'm usually optimistic but what's worrying me almost as much as our position is the thought that seventeenth is going to be almost a record high points total this season I think. Some of the relegated teams this year will consider themselves very unlucky.

i think it will be closer to 40 this season

As things stand 16th place have 18 points from 18 games and I don't see anything to suggest that sort of ratio is likely to be change so getting to 38 points will probably give you a pretty good chance of staying up.

phew we cae get away with ten wins from twenty games!

[ChicagoLion]

I would snatch your hand off for 28 points right now, I would give 36 some serious consideration !!!

[Ads]

We stayed up with 7 under the Ginger one.

[Meanwood Villa]

It will be quite a turnaround if we do stay up. One win in 18 games is astonishingly bad whichever way you slice it. The level required for safety from now on will mean we'll be a very successful team for the rest of the season, which would be nice.

[Ads]

The league is pish though, which helps. Even a side that has dropped more dollar than a Saudi stag do in Yanited look utter mince.

[SoccerHQ]

The league is pish though, which helps. Even a side that has dropped more dollar than a Saudi stag do in Yanited look utter mince.

Shame we can't play them until April when they'll no doubt be on a 11 game winning run. Same with Chelsea.

[ciggiesnbeer]

We have lost one out of the last four and to the team that will come 2nd or 1st. We have actually started to play well, show increased fitness to press as a unit and to sow character and salvage a point from a goal down. Its small but purposeful steps.

We have some confidence, we have a striker in good fom and we have an opportunity to beat two sides to bring us within a result of Newcastle and Norwich, whom we play again in February and May. Its far from over.

I agree with the thrust of that but walking out of the ground yesterday I could not escape the thought that despite our best performance of the season and dominating possession we still only had a point to show for it. It is as though the Gods have decided we are going down and there is nothing that we can do to stop it. Perhaps when the fog of 2 days worth of alcohol induced melancholia clears I will regain some rational perspective but at the moment I think we are being punished for the combined idiocy of our recent managerial appointments and our Saviour has arrived too late.

Same. Which is a shame as in another season this team & manager could have been rather exciting. But I just cant see any way out of this one.

[ez]

We have lost one out of the last four and to the team that will come 2nd or 1st. We have actually started to play well, show increased fitness to press as a unit and to sow character and salvage a point from a goal down. Its small but purposeful steps.

We have some confidence, we have a striker in good fom and we have an opportunity to beat two sides to bring us within a result of Newcastle and Norwich, whom we play again in February and May. Its far from over.

I agree with the thrust of that but walking out of the ground yesterday I could not escape the thought that despite our best performance of the season and dominating possession we still only had a point to show for it. It is as though the Gods have decided we are going down and there is nothing that we can do to stop it. Perhaps when the fog of 2 days worth of alcohol induced melancholia clears I will regain some rational perspective but at the moment I think we are being punished for the combined idiocy of our recent managerial appointments and our Saviour has arrived too late.

Same. Which is a shame as in another season this team & manager could have been rather exciting. But I just cant see any way out of this one.

Same again. Fair play to Garde for getting that performance out of them but it feels more like a defeat. I think by the end of the season he could make us an average premier league team but it'll be too late to save us.