Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Dave]

Sherwood is making same errors he made at Spurs ..poor tactics and doesn't know his best team

Here is a Spurs fan summing up of his flaws ..an seems he has learned nothing

http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/5-consistent-tactical-errors-tim-sherwood/

This is pretty revealing and very good analysis.
So add to the lack of tactics / structure a bunch of new players and you have the disaster we see now.

That was posted a couple of times when he was rumoured to be our next manager.

It was a Spurs fan who was writing it though, so back then it was obviously bollocks.

[PeterWithesShin]

I don't think it was a mistake. After the Hull game we were gone. We were averaging half a goal a game, the play was dire, moral on and off the pitch was gone, we needed a cocky fucker to come in and give the players and fans a kick up the arse. Sherwood did that and i'm grateful to him to for it or we'd have been playing sha 3 times this season. That said, I think it's probably time to say thank you very much for the cup run and keeping us up, here's a payoff that costs far less than relegation would have cost us, and move on.

[KRS]

Another one worth a read:

Tim Sherwood still searching for Aston Villa’s missing spark after Stoke loss
• Villa manager says ‘I can turn it around. I know I can and I will’
• Mark Hughes praises attitude of Stoke matchwinner Marko Arnautovic

Patience is wearing thin at Villa Park, a grand old ground where the smell of history that always hangs in the air can be both a blessing and a curse, a comfort blanket for supporters who remember the good old days but a constant sharp reminder that a team who once won the European Cup have fallen a long way from the modern elite.

Aston Villa cling to the past because there is nothing to celebrate about the present. “Form is temporary, class is permanent” reads a banner in the Holte end, a message that only hammers home how insipid the current side are.

Tim Sherwood repeatedly said, in the aftermath of the defeat to Stoke City, that Villa are missing a spark, a creative talent who can lift the team. Villa were bland. The atmosphere was flat, a feeling of ennui and weariness deflating the mood, and the ground was far from full. The final whistle lifted the lid on the crowd’s bubbling anger. The boos were long and loud and one fan could be heard bellowing at Sherwood to resign.

This was Villa’s fourth successive league defeat. They are 18th, four points behind West Bromwich Albion, and have earned one point since beating Bournemouth in their first match. They have failed to score in three of their four home games.

“My message to the fans is I absolutely 100% understand their frustration,” Sherwood said. “When your team’s not winning you’re going to be very disappointed and I understand that. I’m the manager and I take responsibility for the performance but it’s the same Tim Sherwood who they were singing my name last season and I’m not working any less hard now. I can turn it around. I know I can and I will.”

Villa sold Christian Benteke and Fabian Delph in the summer and signing 13 new players has confused Sherwood’s thinking. He admits that he does not know his team and here he used a poorly conceived 5-3-2 system that limited his side’s attacking variety, a problem he exacerbated by starting Carles Gil and Jack Grealish on the bench. The experiment lasted until half-time, when Grealish came on for Joleon Lescott.

“I keep changing the system and formations in search of that spark,” Sherwood said, managing to sound both hopeful and forlorn. “We need to find it. We need to find the right formation and the right players to play in it. We’d love to win a game and keep the same team for four or five weeks but unfortunately I haven’t got that luxury.”

Sherwood needs to discover quickly whether his players possess the strength of character required to survive in the Premier League. “I’m learning all the time about them,” he said. “They train hard. They’re all good lads.” He was silent for a moment. “I need some men to come out the woodwork,” he said.

Villa looked callow, easy to bully. Stoke outplayed them for long spells and Marko Arnautovic scored the winner in the 55th minute. Arnautovic had a reputation as a troublemaker in the past but is settled in his third season at Stoke. “He always wants to please,” Mark Hughes, Stoke’s manager, said. “He wants to engage with you, he wants to have a relationship with you, he wants to feel valued.”

Arnautovic’s quality was too much for Villa and Sherwood has to drag himself and his team off the floor before they visit Chelsea on 17 October. “I’ve seen and worked with managers and it’s ups and downs,” Sherwood said. “We’ve got a manager in the opposite dugout today who’s not had it all his own way at every club he’s been at but he’s come through and stuck to his beliefs. That’s exactly what Tim Sherwood will be doing.”

This man needs help. Someone please put him out of his misery. I'm looking at you Mr Lerner and Mr Fox.

[ozzjim]

His post match utterings from the weekend should scare the board silly. He has lost faith in his own (basic) tactics even, so is now experimenting all over the place.

He needs to decide his best team, and play it. Even if that is a 4-4-2 with Grealish and Ayew up top and a flat midfield 4 that will work hard and battle, we have to have a plan. I think having Grealish and Gil is confusing the life out of him though in how to have them in the side as they don't fit into a conventional formation. Not that they couldn't simply play wide right and left if asked too do a job I am sure.

[paul_e]

Another one worth a read:

Tim Sherwood still searching for Aston Villa’s missing spark after Stoke loss
• Villa manager says ‘I can turn it around. I know I can and I will’
• Mark Hughes praises attitude of Stoke matchwinner Marko Arnautovic

Patience is wearing thin at Villa Park, a grand old ground where the smell of history that always hangs in the air can be both a blessing and a curse, a comfort blanket for supporters who remember the good old days but a constant sharp reminder that a team who once won the European Cup have fallen a long way from the modern elite.

Aston Villa cling to the past because there is nothing to celebrate about the present. “Form is temporary, class is permanent” reads a banner in the Holte end, a message that only hammers home how insipid the current side are.

Tim Sherwood repeatedly said, in the aftermath of the defeat to Stoke City, that Villa are missing a spark, a creative talent who can lift the team. Villa were bland. The atmosphere was flat, a feeling of ennui and weariness deflating the mood, and the ground was far from full. The final whistle lifted the lid on the crowd’s bubbling anger. The boos were long and loud and one fan could be heard bellowing at Sherwood to resign.

This was Villa’s fourth successive league defeat. They are 18th, four points behind West Bromwich Albion, and have earned one point since beating Bournemouth in their first match. They have failed to score in three of their four home games.

“My message to the fans is I absolutely 100% understand their frustration,” Sherwood said. “When your team’s not winning you’re going to be very disappointed and I understand that. I’m the manager and I take responsibility for the performance but it’s the same Tim Sherwood who they were singing my name last season and I’m not working any less hard now. I can turn it around. I know I can and I will.”

Villa sold Christian Benteke and Fabian Delph in the summer and signing 13 new players has confused Sherwood’s thinking. He admits that he does not know his team and here he used a poorly conceived 5-3-2 system that limited his side’s attacking variety, a problem he exacerbated by starting Carles Gil and Jack Grealish on the bench. The experiment lasted until half-time, when Grealish came on for Joleon Lescott.

“I keep changing the system and formations in search of that spark,” Sherwood said, managing to sound both hopeful and forlorn. “We need to find it. We need to find the right formation and the right players to play in it. We’d love to win a game and keep the same team for four or five weeks but unfortunately I haven’t got that luxury.”

Sherwood needs to discover quickly whether his players possess the strength of character required to survive in the Premier League. “I’m learning all the time about them,” he said. “They train hard. They’re all good lads.” He was silent for a moment. “I need some men to come out the woodwork,” he said.

Villa looked callow, easy to bully. Stoke outplayed them for long spells and Marko Arnautovic scored the winner in the 55th minute. Arnautovic had a reputation as a troublemaker in the past but is settled in his third season at Stoke. “He always wants to please,” Mark Hughes, Stoke’s manager, said. “He wants to engage with you, he wants to have a relationship with you, he wants to feel valued.”

Arnautovic’s quality was too much for Villa and Sherwood has to drag himself and his team off the floor before they visit Chelsea on 17 October. “I’ve seen and worked with managers and it’s ups and downs,” Sherwood said. “We’ve got a manager in the opposite dugout today who’s not had it all his own way at every club he’s been at but he’s come through and stuck to his beliefs. That’s exactly what Tim Sherwood will be doing.”

This man needs help. Someone please put him out of his misery. I'm looking at you Mr Lerner and Mr Fox.

Those quotes are exactly why he's got to go. He signed an entire team and it looked like he was signing players with a plan and in the first few games you could see a hint of what that was going to be, then he abandoned it and is flailing around desperate for points.  Any manager who gets themself into that situation so early on is, in my opinion, fucked and knows it so they're just hoping that something will tick and they'll get a few cheap points to save them.

He won't be sacked yet, as others have said I think he has 4 tough games which will be the finish of him if he doesn't get 4-5 points from them.  To stand any chance he needs to make some big decisions right now and build a game plan around them.  2 from Gana, Sanchez, Westwood and Veretout with Gil in front, Ayew up front and central, let Amavi be the main 'outlet' on the left and compensate by having Crespo or Richards at right back with Adama offering the width there.  Then you can pick Jack on the left but let him wander central and get close to Gil.  It's then a 433 that becomes a 3241 when we're attacking, you get all of our best attacking players on the pitch and you're not really sacrificing a massive amount defensive structure.  it's harsh on Gestede and Sinclair who have scored most of our goals but neither are involved enough in general play and Gestede in particular makes it obvious what we're going to be looking to do so teams keep the width in their defence and stop us getting good crosses in.

[KRS]

As the ppl responsible for the current ownership and management of Aston Villa, is it safe for us to presume that Lerner and Fox actually watch the games? If they are involved with football at a high level, then is it also safe for us to presume that they actually have at least a reasonable understanding of the game they are watching? If we assume both of those to be true, then is it also safe of us to presume that they are also watching and thinking "what the fuck is this shit?!"?

Would it also be fair to assume that Lerner and Fox have advisors that understand football and are able to communicate to them the current mess the team are in on the pitch and convey their concerns over the current management team? Do they have advisors that read and listen to fans opinion even if that was to employ someone to browse fan sites and forums to gauge the general opinion of their fanbase (or customers). If not, why not?

This online forum is clearly a minority of support, but I would think that it (along with other Villa forums) would provide a reasonable indication to gauge and form a general opinion of the current mindset of Villa fans. As such, I would expect (at the very least) that Sherwood would be given some ultimatums this week in terms of performance and results, with the clear directive that if things dont improve drastically then he's going to be unemployed.

I have no doubt that Sherwood must be close to getting the sack, and there is a genuine concern at this stage that he picks up a couple of wins and remains in the job, only for us to go on another losing streak and reducing the amount of time for a new manager to put things right. On the other hand...I can't realistically see where we're going to pick up any points in October so that may not be an issue.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

I honestly don't think the thought of sacking Sherwood has entered Fox's mind. As for Lerner, I bet he doesn't even know the result from Saturday.

[rob_bridge]

This forum based on, how can I put this, a more elevated age demographic is a more decent benchmark than most to gauge fans' feelings than many others.

[Dante Lavelli]

It's strange that Sherwood talks about trying to find "a spark" when referring to the chopping and changing of formations and then fails to select the players most likely to provide that creativity.  If anything his selections are getting more conservative and - in theory - should be providing a base to build from.

[DB]

Straw clutching at it's finest.

[placeforparks]

i wish he'd stop speaking in the third person. what a massive prick.

[Jimbo]

I honestly don't think the thought of sacking Sherwood has entered Fox's mind. As for Lerner, I bet he doesn't even know the result from Saturday.

"Sherwood? Sure, I know Sherwood. Wonderful, mysterious, ancient forest."

Elsewhere, it appears Thick Paul Lambert is back on the market for a job. I'd take Rowett off Small Heath just to watch them quake.

[rob_bridge]

i wish he'd stop speaking in the third person. what a massive prick.

Ricky Hatton started doing this later on in his career when he was becoming more and more punch drunk. Not sure why Sherwood does it though.

[rob_bridge]

I honestly don't think the thought of sacking Sherwood has entered Fox's mind. As for Lerner, I bet he doesn't even know the result from Saturday.

"Sherwood? Sure, I know Sherwood. Wonderful, mysterious, ancient forest."

Elsewhere, it appears Thick Paul Lambert is back on the market for a job. I'd take Rowett off Small Heath just to watch them quake.

I would - personally I think he has performed close on a miracle with that bunch of knuckleheads.

Plus we could, well most of us, could ensure we nailed that we didn't like McLeish because he was Nose as opposed to because he was shite.

[Clampy]

I don't have too much of a problem with what Sherwood came out and said. It might not be what fans want to hear but at least he's being honest. He's tried different things, it hasn't worked and he's admitted it.